And you know it!!

Who's celebrating with some Irish Car Bombs over lunch with me???

I would respond, but America has already spoken for me.

Looks like the wait to get into Canada is about a year. Honestly, it's a lot harder to get into Canada than the US (for citizenship) Of course, US immigration into Canada has been declining at a very similar rate to their health care services.

lore, why do you want bush? I want to try to see the up side to him being reelected...

PS: If you're answer includes anything to do with 'terrorism', don't bother replying.

I want a picture of Michael Moore sobbing into his pillow, so I can frame it, put it on the wall, and point and laugh as I walk by.

Democrats got man-molested last night. They lost their shot at the white house, while republicans strengthened their hold on both houses of congress, AND Tom Daschle, the senate minority leader, lost his re-election. Ouch. It was like more than the GOP dared to hope for.


As to why Bush is good, several things:

1) He won't raise taxes. Taxes are too high. They need to be cut even further, but the (also republican) congress needs to get spending under control.

2) He's going to strengthen social security, and allow people my age to partially privatize their own retirement. Kerry's plan, right out of his mouth, was to do nothing. As someone whos taxdollars will be paying for baby-boomer retirement, social security is a big issue for me
personally.

3) Bush's policy on energy (if he can get it passed this time) and the environment (as lore pointed out) are the correct ones. At my job, we use an obscene amount of paper, and whenever someone sees our operation the first time, they inevitably comment at the number of forests we must personally be responsible for destroying (we don't really have much of a choice, we have to put out a lot of paper to meet regulatory compliance for audit trails and such). I guess these people that are so concerned about the environment that throw around words like 'renewable resources' never stopped to think that.... trees are one of the most renewable resources we have. Most paper comes from tree farms, dammit.


And without getting too much into terrorism, nonetheless, I do feel strongly that the liberal elements in this country have been blinded by moral relativism. Every liberal that cringed when Bush uttered the 'axis of evil' phrase, because we need to understand these other cultures and not judge them, gah it pisses me off. When did liberals stop being a force for human and civil rights? When did they mock bringing democracy and freedom to the most dangerous parts of the world? When did they mock liberation for the women who are wholly abused in many countries in that region?

I won't suggest, and I don't believe that most sane liberals believe this, but there are many in the far left that honestly believe that America brought this on ourselves by being too meddlesome in the affairs of the middle east, and that if we would butt out (and this is one of the platforms that I actually disagree with the libertarian party on) of their affairs, terrorists would leave us alone.

That might even be true - they might leave us alone for a while, because it has been repeatedly stated that the primary reason we're a target is because of our support of Israel. So, you know, if we'd just butt out, and let all the hostile nations over there destroy Israel, then we wouldn't have all these crazy terrorists to deal with and we could live in peace. At least until after they had destroyed Israel.

I often like to ponder what would happen if we did exactly that, if we made it clear we were withdrawing all support from Israel and wouldn't lift a finger to help them should they be attacked. Israel DOES have nukes, and I believe they would use them in self defense. Moral evaluations are left to the reader. Myself, I think the jews have had enough genocide for at least 100 years and a little bit of support isn't something I think the US should apologize for.

So I'm glad Bush is in office and fighting the war on terrorism the right way, I'm glad he's in office because of his policies on the economy. I do wish we had a viable fiscal conservative on the ballot though. The spending has gotta get under control :/

'Terrorist' has generally been middle-eastern by default since the 80's. Movies can be thanked for that, 9/11 merely increased the frequency of the word.

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First off, I personally don't believe anyone in power should be given too much power, and the absolute power in our democracy is the power of interpretation. This war on terrorism is far too general. Allowing a war on terrorism allows bush to attack absolutely anyone he wants to, and Bush is the kind of guy to do what he wants and does not care what anyone else thinks.


Give me a break. Bush put forth every effort to give others a chance to see the light, they didn't, and he stood strong.


Second, since when did Iraq 'terrorize' us? Iraq is a perfect example of this abuse of power, in my opinion. Bush justified his attacks on Iraq saying that they were hiding weapons of mass destruction but to this day they have yet to find any. After people realized this, Bush justified it by calling saddam evil and tortured his own people. Well next thing you know, we started torturing the people we just apparently 'freed'.


Incorrect again. Bush has again and again explained why he thought there was WMDs in Iraq, and to this day, there has yet to be any sort of non-partisan group that has been able to find any sort of fault in his reasoning, including the 9/11 commission, which, contrary to Howard Dean's claim (whom I used to have some respect for, despite disagreeing with), found Bush to be 100% in the right.

Anyway, the truth is, the civil war wasn't absolutetly necessesary, and neither was the American Revolution. Certain people saw beyond the immediate sacrifices and saw the greater good, and because of those people, you're able to bitch about Bush today.


Third, the US does not have a very good record of successfully starting democracies, but if there's anyone who can start a good democracy in Iraq, it’s certainly is NOT bush.


Yeah, you say that because you hate him. As we continue to win elections, continue to fight terrorism, and continue to all around succeed, we'll take your thoughts into consideration.


And just a little comment...
Every time I hear someone refer to 'those terrorists' it bothers me because it has become a Middle Eastern racial slur even though terrorists can be anyone anywhere.

See it that way, I have many islamic friends, but the truth is, the terrorism problem is a direct result of how islamic culturism spreads, and honestly, it's not a slur. You just see it that way cause it's easier for you to argue against a 'slur' than real facts.

I blame cable tv.

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<brNow I will ask you, which administration had more terrorist attacks- Bush, or Clinton?

Well, so far, Clinton, but that's counting his full eight years.