Sharing internet connections with a hub
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ashground
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So, here's a question. I'm getting high-speed internet at home, because it sucks only having one computer online and that online being dial-up (I miss the connection I had in dorm). At home I have a couple computers connected with a 16-port hub (woot, LAN party).
Whenever I've networked stuff before with an internet connection, I always used routers. So, I'm wondering how easy this is going to be to get up and running. A couple people swear that if I plug everything in, it'll just work. Others are telling me that I'll need to get extra IPs from the ISP. Other tell me I don't need extra IPs if I want to put a Linux box between the modem and the hub. Others tell me to buy a cheap gateway.
Now, does someone who's actually split a connection with a hub want to tell me how things work in the real world?
Posted on 2004-06-17 03:36:05
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Zip
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We got a router with built in DSL modem (quite expensive 2 years ago). As you're leasing the modem otherwise, buying one isn't too much extra expense, and gives you better flexibility in case you want to change providers. With one of those, a microfilter and some cabling you're basically sorted.
Now as you have an existing network, it probably worth adding that we did manage to plug an tacky old router into that one and run the connection to 7 computers round the house, but it did increase the funky behaviour that is somewhat inevitable with networks.
As a final point - managing any form of fair bandwidth sharing is near impossible, you're gonna be relying on the users (and whatever programs they run) to be restrained, or you'll wish you were back on dial up.
Zip
Posted on 2004-06-17 03:59:16
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Ness
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Currently my setup is as such
1 Cable modem
1 Router
Cable modem goes into the router, the router splits the connection to all the other computers.
All the computers have a network IP address. That is an IP that is only valid on the computers connected to that router. The network IP is assigned by the router.
Outside the network all the computers share one IP.
So basically from what I've seen you should be able to just plug everything into the router and be fine. As sort of a side note, you need to plug the cable modem into a Router, not a Hub. A router is the only thing that can split an internet connection. After that you can put a hub or whatever you want.
Posted on 2004-06-17 04:03:36
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ashground
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So the fact is, at the end of the day, I need a router or gateway between the modem and the hub for this to work. Correct?
Posted on 2004-06-17 04:07:07
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Zip
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Or a modem/router combi, which you can then plug whatever you want into.
Zip
Posted on 2004-06-17 04:11:33
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vecna
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I recommend just getting a linksys router. You can get 4 ports for like $50, or bigger ones (dont know if you need a 16-port now).
You can do connection sharing with just a hub if you setup one comp as a gateway, it's not really very hard to do and when you do that you CAN limit bandwidth via netlimiter (or whatever linux equivalent). But the price difference between and a hub and a router is insignificant these days, you might as well get the router unless you feel like you need the bandwidth control.
Routers are pretty damn close to plug in and go, there's a bit more setup involved with a gateway.
Using a router or a gateway machine will eliminate the need to get extra IPs from your ISP. you'd only need IPs if you wanted all the machines to have 100% raw internet access.
Posted on 2004-06-17 04:24:23 (last edited on 2004-06-17 04:30:06)
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loretian
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Here's the deal, if your ISP will let you have more than one ip address, which some do, but most don't, then you'll be fine with a hub. If not, then you need a router or gateway of some sort. I'd also recomend the linksys one.
Personally, I would recomend the WRT54G and get wireless going, and then you can realize the awesomeness of no cables.
Posted on 2004-06-17 16:41:57
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ashground
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So, this works:
Modem - Router - Computers
And this works:
Modem - Computer - Hub - Computers
Does this work?:
Modem - Router - Hub - Computers
Would the router then assign proper IPs to all the computers (making the hub completely transparent)?
I don't -need- the hub. I could go out and buy a cheap router. But it would also be cool to have internet connections on all the computers during a LAN party, so it would be nice to have the hub linked into everything.
Posted on 2004-06-17 18:21:34 (last edited on 2004-06-17 20:27:47)
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RageCage
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the router will do what the hub would do, so you dont need it.
hubs are generally for local networks that connect into a server that provides internet.
routers are for a network of computers who want to get internet without having to go though a server.
you should never need a router and a hub unless maybe you have a router splitting internet to several servers who then provide internet to their own networks...
anyway, the modem-router-computer will do everything you need to be done, I've had [small] lan partys[two people] on my router.
Posted on 2004-06-17 21:02:00 (last edited on 2004-06-17 21:03:38)
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ashground
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Ah, but there is a reason to have both a hub and a router -- I have a 16-port hub at home, and I have no interest in paying for a 16-port router if I can get by with a 4-port router connected to my hub (if it will effectively do the same thing). 16-port routers are expensive. Fair enough?
Posted on 2004-06-17 22:21:54
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RageCage
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ahh indeed... well I'd say you need a server for the internet to be filtered through into the network... but what do I know?
its and interesting question
Posted on 2004-06-17 22:46:04
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vecna
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I've done it before, you can plug a hub into a router. It'll work. I know it'll work with a linksys router, anyway.
Posted on 2004-06-17 23:05:30
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Kildorf
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I've had a hub plugged into a Dlink router too, and it worked fine, transparently even!
Man, I love LAN parties.
Posted on 2004-06-18 00:32:09
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Zip
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hmm.. I reckon some people have an "/ignore zip" function I don't no about.
Zip
Posted on 2004-06-18 00:37:51
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Kildorf
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Quote:Originally posted by Zip
hmm.. I reckon some people have an "/ignore zip" function I don't no about.
Zip
You make a good point; I should make a habit of reading the entire thread before posting. Sorry about that.
Posted on 2004-06-18 00:39:28
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Zip
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Maybe I should write more interesting posts, so people do bother reading them. And learn 'know' is not spelt 'no'.
Seriously, my new website is only || far from the truth.
Zip
Posted on 2004-06-18 01:21:01
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