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Omni

I had been wanting to make something with Modplug for a while, so I finally decided to try. Took...four 1/2 hours, maybe? I can't seem to find the perfect timing, but having no real music education I do not find this surprising...

Bell and Choir Medley

Also short. 45 seconds.

Posted on 2004-11-28 04:49:10

Troupe

My ears. :(

Posted on 2004-11-28 07:27:45

Rysen

It's hard to really explain how you can improve timing when using a tracker if you don't know how timing works in music, unfortunately. =/ However!
I recommend visiting This site for a good solid introduction to music theory. For timing, pay close attention to the lessons on:
Notes and Rests
Measures and Bars
Time Signatures
Tempo

All of which go hand in hand.

Overall, however, this is actually pretty neat. You stay in the same key through out, and resolve a good majority of your progressions. It is consistant up until around half way through pattern 4, and with a little more knowledge on timing I think you could clean that up nicely.
When the choir comes in the harmonies work pretty well. What I really liked was how the choir went down in tone as the bells went up. I was surprised by it, actually, but in a good way.

What's most interesting to me is, again, to see the chord changes. (Though there are no actual chords played, you could definately hear what chords *would* be there). If I remember correctly you don't play any instruments, which is what makes me find that so interesting. Before I knew a lick of chord theory or much music theory in general, I relied on what I noticed in all the music I learned playing guitar of what chords work well together. I know that there are a tonne of talented artists out there who don't know anything about theory, so I'm not trying to say that you need to know theory to compose, you really don't. What I am saying is that from what I can gather, a majority (certainly not all) of those who compose meaningfull/good sounding, progressions, without theory knowledge, play an instrument of some sort. So to be able to just 'hear' that, is pretty impressive, whether you realised you did it or not.

Other than timing my most major complaint is the end note, it does not resolve at all. The run at the end is neat, and the holding the D note is good as it builds tension, but it also never releases that tension causing a strange feeling in my stomache I cannot describe. :P It's really a matter of preference and artistry, however, the way the end run is written, it makes me expect to hear another 'C' note to end the song.

In any event, I think you're off to a good start. No one's first tracks are masterpieces as it takes time, patience and practise to build up the skills those amazing composers/trackers have. I think it's great that you're actually trying to track now as I remember you saying that you had wanted to for awhile. You can't get better if you never start. :)

My advice to you is to go to your favourite mod place, download some good mods that you enjoy and open them in Modplug Tracker. Set the VU-Meters on (the button just to the right of Record button under the Patterns tab) to view what channels are currently playing a sound, and just watch them. Study the patterns, look at what samples are playing what, mute the channels and listen to some of the instruments inpendently to get an idea of things that work together, what generally plays what, what instruments compliment each other, etc.

But most importantly, compose, compose, compose. It's the best way to improve. :)

Posted on 2004-11-28 10:07:07

Omni

Wow. I didn't expect Troupe's response to be so depressing, or Rysen's to be so...informative :)

...I'm not exactly sure if I deserve praises on parts of this song or not. I wrote the notes, yes, but it was really just me brainstorming and trying different combinations...

Although, I technically lied when I said I had zero knowledge of how music works. I did take piano lessons for a brief time some years ago, and I do vaguely recall notes, time signatures, and beats...but as to how to use them, I can't quite remember.

As a side note, with the song on repeat, the final D is supposed to be followed by the C bell once again at the beginning of the song. ..I did actually plan that part. I feel kind of disappointed in myself that I couldn't even compose a stand-alone piece over a minute long.

Thanks a ton for the site links and criticism.

Posted on 2004-11-28 15:32:20

Omni

This piece is so...ridiculously simple and elementary compared to the increasingly complex music I find around here. ...I guess that's a big kudos to all the trackers, then :)

Posted on 2004-11-28 22:02:54

Rysen

...I'm not exactly sure if I deserve praises on parts of this song or not. I wrote the notes, yes, but it was really just me brainstorming and trying different combinations...

Well, when reading a review it's generally nice to know not only what needs work, but what you did well. It allows you to kind of prioritise what you should be working on. At least that's how I feel when I read reviews of my work. :) Even if you don't feel you deserve praise, the fact that you brainstormed and tried different combinations until you were happy with something is a good thing. A lot of times my themes will come from just playing piano or guitar, and instead of thinking about where I'm going, just go to wherever pops in my head at the time. Some times it's okay, some times it's great, other times it's just plain horrible. ;P But experimenting is a great portion of composing.

Anyway, you have to start somewhere so don't feel disappointed in yourself. I'm at the point where I'm pretty confident in my composing abilities, but when I first started...there was many a time where I thought I would never be able to write as well as I had wanted. As I said, you don't just start and write a beautiful masterpiece right off the bat. It takes a lot of practise, and experience. Talent certainly does help, but there's also more to tracking than just writing the music, and more to music than just writing the notes. In time, you will improve at both so long as you keep trying and don't get discouraged when you feel you're not up to par with the people that have been doing it for 5+ years. ~_^

Posted on 2004-11-29 04:16:23

Troupe

Cock and balls Rysen, way to make me look bad. I'll listen to your tunes and give you some feedback tomorrow OMNI. It really wasn't that bad by the way :D

Posted on 2004-11-30 05:57:53 (last edited on 2004-11-30 23:38:50)

Rysen

Quote:Originally posted by Troupe

Cock and balls Rysen, way to make me look bad. I'll listen to your tunes and give you some feedback tomorrow Overkill. It really wasn't that bad by the way :D


My point certainly wasn't to make you look bad. ;P But it might be a good start if you used the artists-to-be's actual name in your reply. :P Though for some reason I get Overkill and Omni's names mixed up all the time too...o_o

Posted on 2004-11-30 06:39:27

Omni

Er...I see. ...No problem! :)

Posted on 2004-11-30 17:01:13

Troupe

It's only becuase Overkill tried to send me some tunes on IRC yesterday, I got confused :( Oh well, I wash my hands of this thread, I'm sorry. I barely have any time to listen to music as it is, and while I would love to foster your improvement, I think practice is the best advice I can give. To avoid making a fool of myself further, I'll let you have at it with Rysen! If you ever have specific questions or want a critique on a song talk to me on IRC and I can usually make time. Best of luck! :)

-troupe

Posted on 2004-11-30 23:41:04

Omni

Why is Troupe so busy?

Posted on 2004-12-01 03:27:32

Troupe

I have more music to make than anyone could ever possibly make in a lifetime.

Posted on 2004-12-04 16:22:57

RageCage

work monkey!
*whip*
where's my sfx?
*whip*

^_^

Posted on 2004-12-04 17:08:15

evilbob

trrop listen to my musik and tell mes what i doing wrong plzk

Posted on 2004-12-05 07:00:08

Overkill

;__;

People mistake me... for Omni? Maybe I should modify my name to be a Voerkill, then you won't confuse it. You'll remember me by retarded letter transposition. Also, you note I have an avatar, Omni does not... yet. I'm the guy who you see on #vergehelp almost every day.

Saddening. PLS REMBEER NAEM FROM NOW ONE. PRES BUTAN. KTHXBYEROFL GTG2ABBQ.

Posted on 2004-12-06 01:39:12

Troupe

Quote:Originally posted by evilbob

trrop listen to my musik and tell mes what i doing wrong plzk


I've heard your 'music', and the problem is obviously that you exist.

Your art rocks though, please make some more (for pr2 maybe?).

*EDIT*

Added quotes for coolness.

Posted on 2004-12-07 23:10:12 (last edited on 2004-12-07 23:10:45)


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