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BluesZodiakos

A very serious question - I'm thinking about adding a gay character to my game as a playable chararacter. He isn't flaming or anything like that, just a normal person like everyone else. Do I run the risk of turning off the majority of people to my game? Is the gaming community (or verge community) at large mature enough not to play my game because they think it is "gay"? Please, only serious replies.



Posted on 2002-01-01 03:31:55

Miggle

Well, that depends on the purpose. The point of adding a gay person in the game would probably involve "gay" situations (im being serious). Like if the character is going to just be a normal person just gay. Then there really is no point. Unless there are situations which are different because he is gay. I for one wouldn't care, unless it was like some sort of gay porn type thing(well not porn but, things like going into gay bars and picking up on guys)not my type of fun. but if it were to get rid of stereotypes and such, go for it.



Posted on 2002-01-01 03:48:36

BluesZodiakos

Well, one of the things was that this character was the friend of the other main characters since childhood, and they know that he was gay, and they got so used to there not being any difference between him and normal people that they kind of forgot about it, until a particular situation comes up, when all the other characters have someone to be with, and he is alone. I thought it might make someone empathize(sp?) with him a little better, and understand that gay people, just like hetero people, can't necessarily be put into catagories. I'm certainly not out to make a statment of any type, I just thought it would be interesting.



Posted on 2002-01-01 04:06:43

-zaril-

I would still play it. Hey, if anyone would ever have a black man or woman in their game - do that to! I'm tired of how fantasy worlds are so only white people. As well, how everyone have to be straight and wait for humble princesses. Be different, throw in gay people - I'll still play. =D



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Posted on 2002-01-01 06:51:59

choris

I've thought about doing that somewhat. Like having the main character be gay but not reveal it to the player openly. I don't know enough about psychology to do it good though. :P

At any rate put all the controversy, intended or not, that you want in your game. We'd see alot more of it in commercial games if us Puritan Americans weren't so uptight about it.



choris@verge-rpg.com

Posted on 2002-01-01 09:59:09

Wyrdwad

Censorship sucks. If you want a gay character in your game, then please, put a gay character in your game! I certainly don't care -- I'm very good friends with quite a number of homosexual people, both male and female.

Heck, Forgotten Kings is going to have a naturist in it -- a character who chooses to remain completely nude in order to stay pure, to keep close to her roots as a mammal, and thus an animal. If people take offense to this, that's THEIR problem, not mine. (:

-Tom




Posted on 2002-01-01 12:56:47

Falthorn

"Heck, Forgotten Kings is going to have a naturist in it -- a character who chooses to remain completely nude in order to stay pure, to keep close to her roots as a mammal, and thus an animal."

That's fine with me! Unless she's ugly, then it's out of the question! :D

-Falth



My mom thinks I'm cool.

Posted on 2002-01-01 13:10:49

loretian

Uh.. not to argue with you, but I don't get your "censorship sucks" thing. I mean, of course, generally censorship is a bad thing, but who's trying to censor him?



-loretian

Posted on 2002-01-01 21:28:02

ladyvesper

Well, for starters I'd bet that at least 10% of the Verge community has to be LGBT, if you think about it. It's a simple fact of life that LGBT people make up a certain percentage of any population, and that's a fact of nature, not something weird or unusual. (Of course, here in Ithaca NY it's closer to 40%. =) So I say go for it. Just remember to treat them like any other member of your cast -- like a normal person. It'd be even more balsy to include a gay romance as a sub-plot, but I don't know how far you're willing to go. =)

As for the community, fsck 'em. Some people are going to be turned off. Nothing you can do about that. Your job isn't to play to the community, but to release the best story you possibly can. Don't cut corners because you're afraid of a few immature critics. Those who do like what you've done and can appreciate it for what it is are the ones that matter anyways.

Oh, and don't make it a girl who's been molested by a man in the past and now turns to women. It's cliche and quite frankly insulting.

My verge-partner Cloud wants me to write it in here that he's not gay and he's single. He also says something about "G4y? Th4t f5ck1ng rul3z. T00 m4ny str41ght p30pl3 in RPG'5 4nyw4ys." I'm going to throw him off my couch now.

- the Lady Vesper



Posted on 2002-01-01 22:45:08

BluesZodiakos

After re-reading my original post, I thought to myself "Flame Bait", but you guys have pleasently surprised me! Most other communities would have sent me about five personal emails apiece saying something to the effect of "G4Y P33P5 5UCK!" Thanks for the input, I just might do something something in my game.

Again, thanks. :)



Posted on 2002-01-01 23:37:53

Sungam

I figure BluesZodiakos, himself, is... Or, well, considering to censor his own game.



- Sungam
 Ancient Ex-VERGEr
 Possible Retro-VERGEr..?
Formerly known as:
 Sephiroth/^_^Sephiroth/Magnus

Posted on 2002-01-02 09:13:09

loretian

Well, that makes sense, but if he chooses not include a particular element, that's not exactly censoring himself. Unless you consider the hundreds of features and ideas left out of every game as being censored.

I just think too often people throw around the term censorship in situations like this because he's talking about a gay character, which detoriates the true meaning of the word. If he had said "Should I include a horse character that can talk?", I imagine noone would have brought up censorship.

Just my thoughts.



-loretian

Posted on 2002-01-02 12:35:38

Sungam

Well, that is exactly what cencorship is, isn't it? Pardon me if it isn't... I haven't actually looked it up or anything.
To exclude something solely because it may be found offensive, or somehow hurt certain groups.
Homophobics would probably find a homosexual character offensive. They then might further their belittlement (is that a word?) of homosexuals in real life, which would hurt that minority. Hence, some might decide to cencor it, to avoid conflicts.
I find it difficult to believe that anyone would find a talking horse offensive... But then again, there's some strange people out there ;)

But hey, I'm no lingual expert, so it's very possible that I'm wrong.



- Sungam
 Ancient Ex-VERGEr
 Possible Retro-VERGEr..?
Formerly known as:
 Sephiroth/^_^Sephiroth/Magnus

Posted on 2002-01-02 15:25:15

GMW

(j/k)

And yes, I *know* the board supplies its own NTs. Unless you type something like this in here. Nyeah!

:)



Posted on 2002-01-02 17:28:52

GMW

I don't think anybody whose opinion you'd value would care one way or the other, unless you're succumbing to "Captain Planet" syndrome. (i.e. including every damn race, religion, sex/sexula preference, age, and other minority possible, in equal parts when possible in order to be PC/enlightened.) Or just doing it to be unique. However, from some of your earlier posts, it sounds as though you've got plot elements already set up that don't remind me of "A very special episode of" whatever, so I'm game.

Urf. Summary. Don't be preachy, and don't try to make the gay guy the main selling point, and it'll be fine. :)

-GMW-



Posted on 2002-01-02 17:39:18

Wyrdwad

Well, as Sungam pointed out, one CAN censor oneself... if a homosexual character were left out of a game solely because of his potential to offend homophobes (or anyone, for that matter), this would be self-censorship. And if a talking horse were left out of a game solely because everyone thought it was a stupid idea, and NOT because the game designer himself/herself felt it to be a stupid idea (i.e. bending to peer pressure), that too would be a (slightly less detrimental) form of self-censorship.

Just my two cents. (: Sorry if I can't argue my points very well -- I've been in Japan for months, and have begun to forget English. (:

-Tom




Posted on 2002-01-02 17:50:00

TacticsM

As long as your ok with it and it's not there just to be around. Then go for it. In my game twilight there was a gay character, two actually (they were going to be lovers) but that game never was finished. I wanted to but I couldn't get around to it. In any case, as long as you do it intelligently. it shouldn't matter...



Posted on 2002-01-03 15:17:36

loretian

Good point. I get what you're saying. I still don't really consider that censorship, but I see your point in how it differs from my T*lking H*rse example.



-loretian

Posted on 2002-01-03 17:18:47

xanrastafari

All I have to say on this is, I wish this wasn't even worth bringing up. But hey, the world is full of closed minded people, so....



Posted on 2002-01-03 18:13:24

rpgking

Don't you think 10% is a little too high for such a small community?



Out of clutter, find simplicity. -Einstein

Posted on 2002-01-03 19:03:31


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