Okay. For the past day or two now, I've had a new problem w/ V2.6. When I try to run Verge.exe, the dang thing hangs with an empty window filling the screen. When I run the program with "window" in USER.CFG, Windows (2000) tells me that it referenced a bad memory sector (the memory could not be "read.") I don't think it's a problem with every terminal; it's happened to me on several. Is this a Verge thing? What's going on? I can't develop with a broken engine.

CypherAlmasy

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Life is an RPG. How much experience have you earned?

::sigh:: You're right. But I can't run anything else here; Win2k doesn't like it, and I can't partition the drives 'cause they're not mine. Dangit. I need a new comp.

Anyone have any ideas?

Cypher

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Life is an RPG. How much experience have you earned?

I don't know why everyone is convinced of V2.6's instability. I have been developing a game that is on the verge of a major demo and it has run very well for me. And I am running it in Win98. I did have a problem in NT but that was on a school computer that had sort of a minimalist attitude. Is it possibly a directX compatability. What version of DirectX was it written for. The way I understand it is that multuple versions of DirectX can be on the system at the same time, and not all DirectX versions a completly reverse compatable, especially DirectX 8. Anyway, it bears looking into.

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As far as a computer is concerned everything happens for a reason.

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I wouldn't mind moving to v2.7 except that it's my understanding that it uses Python. Now, maybe I'm just a sentimental old fool, but I like VergeC. It's nice, easy to use, etc. Besides, moving to V2.7 would require rewriting ALL of the code that I have worked so long and hard to write and nearly perfect, and it would seem like such a shame if I had to go through it and pretty much redo everything because it doesn't seem to work quite right on these particular machines. Is there any other alternative? Perhaps another VergeC version of v2 being released in the near future? I know I sound desperate, but I am!

CypherAlmasy

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Life is an RPG. How much experience have you earned?

V2.6 is unstable crap and while v2.7 is good and all, it uses Python. There was no point to change. VergeC is able to emulate a good majority of 8/16-bit system games out there, it's only major problem being poor documentation. There was no point to switch. I believe among other reasons Python was only inplemented to appease particular folks (i.e. the people/coders capable but too lazy to use a real programming language and get the freedom that they want) and not people who were actually making games.

The possibility of another VergeC version of v2 being released in the future is doubtful. I had pleaded for a new VC version of Verge in the past. All I got were frontrunner suggestions that I use v2.7. Of course, about 2/3rds of the same people who suggested that disappeared after v2.7's release. Really shows something....

Whatever version you decide to use, make games or at least make a better effort than others have. The problem was never the engine or language, but the determination of the individuals using it.

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"It's too unstable to even consider under win9x"?

Why? I ran it perfectly when I had win98. And now that I have winME, it still runs perfectly, and hasn't crashed on me once. And all the people who've played my demo also were actually able to play it without problems. I know you should know the engine better than anyone because you made it, but this just doesn't make any sense.

-rpgking
DRAGON WARRIOR LEGEND:
http://dwl.sourceforge.net

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Out of clutter, find simplicity. -Einstein

The version I use? There's only one version, as far as I can tell. Were you being sarcastic?

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Out of clutter, find simplicity. -Einstein

"V2.6 is unstable crap..."

"There was no point to switch."

You're contradicting yourself. Stability is a reason to switch in and of itself. Even v2/v2k/v2k+j suffer from "interesting" quirks that most people would be more than happy to do without. (mikmod butchering mods that it doesn't crash on being no small part of that)

"... it's [VC's] only major problem being poor documentation."

Untrue.

VC suffers from a deplorable lack of data containers. You can use arrays, and one dimensional arrays at that. Sure, they "do the job", but that's like saying that a bicycle can get you across North America. Sure, it does the job, but there are better ways.

VC also forces you to use pointers, which means that that v2 is unstable, and it will always be unstable.

There are a truckload of other mistakes made in VC's design, but I'll spare you the lecture.

"the people/coders capable but too lazy to use a real programming language and get the freedom that they want"

I think I've already proven that Python qualifies as a "real programming language", but I'll do it again, for fun. If you search sourceforge.net, you'll notice that there are over a thousand Python projects. That's a 1 to 5 ratio to C projects. Not too bad.

Further, smart programmers are lazy programmers. Nobody benefits from reinventing the wheel five thousand times. The simple truth is that a wise programmer knows what to remove, what to recode, and what to reuse. Python is loaded with reuseable code, and its syntax actually helps you out, instead of holding you back! Imagine that! I myself have coded several hundred lines of Python, only to find that it works perfectly, without debugging!

How many times has that happened in VC?

The problem was never the engine or language.
Yes it was. Not entirely, fair enough, but the engine and the language are both at fault.

I'm sure we all love the way that entity.tx and entity.ty are completely independant of entity.x and entity.y. Or the way that the engine's colours are all messed up if you don't PaletteMorph at startup. (moot if you're in hicolour) Or, have you ever accidentally had a circular #include reference in your VC code? One particularly fun thing to do is to accidentally swap the parameters in fseek. Crashes the engine every time. I've also seen people do some very strange things to make entities behave in a certain way. Do not blame these things on the people using them. The engine should catch these things! Or never allow them to occur!

I agree that effort is required to actually get anywhere in just about anything worthwhile, but do not turn a blind eye to v2's many, many flaws. Nobody benefits.

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"Ignorance is its own reward" -- Proverb

Stop whining. the_Speed_Bump doesn't owe you a damn thing. Nobody owes you a VC version of VERGE. It's his engine, he can use Brainfuck if he wants. I know you've heard all the reasons why Python is better than VC (and have ignored them), so just shut the fuck up. You've made it clear you're not interested in logic.

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