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clepto1766

The Final Fantasy Chronicles Website is back up and fully updated. A few of the links might be misspelled just let me know. Now online 249 Verge game demos.
I just put it back up this morning and updated it. It now runs off my computer since I have a DSL.

Check it out and let me know what you think.

http://www.vergearchive.freeurl.com/Mike
or http://64.108.44.26/



Michael Freligh The Final Fantasy Chronicles

Posted on 2001-06-05 12:10:41

ltcmdstarbuck

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Posted on 2001-06-07 11:15:26

clepto1766

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Michael Freligh The Final Fantasy Chronicles

Posted on 2001-06-07 13:02:52

Praetor

I suggest you remove everything that I have written from your site. If you can't figure out what is written by me, I feel a deep sorrow for you.

Also, I wonder how anyone could have thought that your site contained warez (*ahem* http://64.108.44.26/id20.htm *ahem*)

If you were really as concerned with keeping the VERGE community alive as you claim to be, you would have more intelligence that to upload an openly admitted joke, and you would figure that out if you even bothered to look at half of the content on your site.

You should thank me for extending the period of time which I have given you to remove my content from your site.

I hate to sound like an asshole, but I have been voicing my opinion about your open disregard for the authors of the material you claim to love for quite some time and I've had enough.

You said you'd remove anything that anyone expressed an issue with having on your site. However, you're not being very cordial about it:

"6/6/01
I took down Praetor's April fools Avaricious Dominion file. Some people are just assholes. Praetor you have no business at this website any longer so do not come here."

That was the response recieved for my desire not to have my materials posted on his site without even an attempt to see if it was okay to do so.

I'm sure that 90% of you who read this will think me unreasonable. Perhaps I am. However, I submitted my hard work to the Verge Coders' Corner and the Verge Source as that is where I wanted my material to be posted. I do not wish to be associated with clepto's (whose very name implies thief) site, and I do not want to support a site whose content consists almost entirely of files blindly taken from tVS or v-rpg without a single word to either the authors who submitted their work to those sites or to the administrators of those sites.

(I have to admit, that many of the V1 demos are so old as to be nearly considered abandonware, but he had the "Avaricious Dominion" demo he refers to on his site within a day of its "release" without one word to me... I take offense at that...)






Praetor - Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.

Posted on 2001-06-07 13:36:56

Devlyn(dad)

First of all, I think intellectual property on the internet is a big joke. How can one talk about it with so many mp3/warez/hack stuff around on the net?

You can flame him for putting your demo on his site, but fact is that the Verge Source is down and that his site makes a good temporary replacement. Legal or not, it is useful to the society, and as long as he doesn't make profit over it, what is the problem?




-Devlyn

Posted on 2001-06-07 14:04:28

joshito

VERGE was created to make free and freely distributed games. VERGE games should not be restricted to only certian servers that the writer wants to put them on. Its not like clepto is not giving you credit for it, as I am sure you have done so in the game itself (credits/readme?). I really dont see the problem with his site. Also, its not like he did not give ample warning to his site, as I recall he had announced it and its ambisions about 2 weeks before opening it. But then, what do I kno, ^_^

joshito



Posted on 2001-06-07 20:28:10

clepto1766

Under Title 17 Section 107 & 108 of the US Code I have the right to have your material on my website for teaching purposes of VC Code. The purpose of my website is an Archive of all Verge resources to be provided to the public, free of charge, to give all known resources of Verge to the Public (Verge community). I am protected under Title 17 Section 107 and Title 17 Section 108 of US Code from infringement of copyrights. VERGE was created to make free and freely distributed games. I will not remove the rest of your work from my website.

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(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or
phonorecords;
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work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by
rental, lease, or lending;
(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and
choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other
audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;
(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and
choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or
sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion
picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted
work publicly; and
(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted
work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission

Sec. 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

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(a) Except as otherwise provided in this title and notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement of copyright for a library or archives, or any of its employees acting within the scope of their employment, to reproduce no more than one copy or phonorecord of a work, except as provided in subsections (b) and (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if -
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Michael Freligh The Final Fantasy Chronicles

Posted on 2001-06-08 01:01:14

andy

What prompted that?

There's a disturbing amount of bad juju here. I'll just steer clear of the bad vibes, and head for the place where the good vibes are.

Peace out.



'Never confuse a single defeat with a final defeat.' -F. Scott Fitzgerald

Posted on 2001-06-08 01:01:15

soulbain

So you're saying just because everyone will warez and commit piracy and break copyright law, we shouldn't care? Let's all commit murder then. If we all do it, no one should care, right?



Posted on 2001-06-08 01:24:13

Devlyn(dad)

What I say is that there is no point in upholding copyright when it is violated all over the place.

It's like biking here in Amsterdam. Everyone rides through the red trafficlight here. Now the police could pick out one or two of them and fine them, and they have but it doesn't help a thing.
You can whine on clepto what you like, but after all Verge is open-source and no profit.

I have grave personal moral objections against murder, I don't have grave moral objections about unauthorized uploading of non-profit games. Yes, you may be pissed, but as long as credit is given, what is the problem?





-Devlyn

Posted on 2001-06-08 08:45:15

choris

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Posted on 2001-06-08 13:14:13

Devlyn(dad)

Well, sometimes I've got to explain things I didn't really intend to say in the first place.
Shit happens I guess, though I thought my explanation isn't all that bad, just a bit incoherent...

I'll try for a more coherent and sensible explanation sometime later I guess :)



-Devlyn

Posted on 2001-06-09 03:56:11

soulbain

The good old arguing with your foot in your mouth tactic. Works everytime.



Posted on 2001-06-09 05:32:54


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