"I admit, I no longer know many of the names I see here, on the boards anyway."

Thats proof that verge is NOT coming apart at the seams. New blood is always a good thing. Everyones like "wah wah, I wish things were exactly like they used to be" But if things were the same then verge WOULD be dead. But no, verge has new people coming in almost weekly it seems... V2.7 is in the works and promises to make the whole game making process less of a pain in the ass.

Just cause your old buddies are dead doesnt mean verge is dead. :)

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I posted as Gemini when you were around, if that helps?

-Auroraborealisis

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Violence is not a strength, compasion is not a weakness.

two weeks? cool! i beat the newbie life span. just about two months now :)

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that wasn’t intended to be a thrash on newbies... I still consider myself a newbie.

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That's kind of a sad view. I consider myself oldbie (pre-v2 and stuff) about 2-3 years of VERGE:ing but I don't point, laugh or bicker a bit. I like the fact of new people coming in. It keeps the 'scene' alive. Old verge community is dead, but the general community will stay alive as long as people communicate and utilize VERGE.

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zaril@hellven.org - ICQ 7698022

I was referring to oldbies who don't use Verge anymore. Those usually are the ones who usually express thier grief and need of pity on the boards.

Hell, I can be considered to be an oldbie (been working with Verge for about two years). I've never been a part of the community though. I don't like being part of something that ever seemed to go beyond a few tech and game demos every other month.

Still, I believe that the general Verge community is almost dead. People who say that it isn't are wrong. v2.7 is not Verge (admit it, it's an entirely different beast and more importantly, give yourself credit, tSB) and while the majority think it is, they're just too lazy to form thier own community. If the community were to ever be revived, someone would need to give Verge2 (the original Verge2) the support that it always needed. Better documentation, a pack-in demo, and more frequent updates. Otherwise, nothing can be done about it.

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I was a cr2 artist, in the days of v1 and all its glory. I did art for a great many games, although I'm much, much better now if I can say without sounding.. well.. confident, I've just had time away from verge to work on my artistic skills.

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I admit, that sounded wrong. I aimply meant, I don't see the production of games quite like I once did, and I've been looking too. I do miss my old buddies =] And perhaps the new blood comment is correct as well, I'm wrong more times than I care to say. I'm just not seeing much 'community' work here, I've been gone, perhaps I even remember wrong, or was naive to the facts. I do however see alot more tension on the boards than I remember on the old ones. But then, the boards I sat in where at Locke's old domain.

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Yeah! I'd want to help too!

VO is leet!

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"Ignorance is its own reward" -- Proverb

The verge community "died" (to quote you all) when people stopped releasing small games, x-mas games, short unfinished crappy V1 games that were fun. Well, we have passed the time when SNES was the coolest thing ever, the requirement some put on themselves when it comes to graphics are immense. Shadows, 3D, Pixel Accurate Movement (graphically) and characters made by pros. Verge "died" when the community turned different. Yes, the old community is dead in whatever sense, since we changed.

Who cares if V 2.7 is something new, you are all entitled to use the old crappier versions, without getting laughed at. If you are too afraid someone won't like your art and you don't release - well, that's basically forming the problem. I and a few others (rpg, swordsman, rysen) have been starting small games - The Questing is mine. It will be released for your playing. It will be crappy in many ways, I don't put high requirement on myself. So, please, allow yourself to throw out a little crap and put some life into the skeleton of VERGE.

I was afraid Python would mess up everything, but it is plain simple and makes the pain of coding VC go away. Lists, keys, garbage collector, object orientation.. Python is great for Verge. So, please, people if you care so much as to "revive" the "dead" community, "make games, don't whine". If we had 5-6 new small little games that could continue posted in the news, the community would seem quite more alive. If we need more life, just get more people interested in making small little games.

If people need help in learning Python I bet we can make a more simplistic tutorial on how you can create different scripts and show you how the language works.

Anyone who declares a breathing person dead, surely has no doctor's education. VERGE is alive, you're not seeing the full picture imho, we've got the people, where are the games? Well, I sure am working on one, (The Questing) are you?

http://www.mastercain.com/thequesting

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