Rysen's Music
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Omni

...is the bomb.

Anna's Theme sounds like it could be from Lord of the Rings, or, if you've played Tales of Eternia/Destiny II in the US, the very beginning of Anna's Theme reminds you of the intro. It is very soothing, and very awesome.

A Tragedy is also an excellent piece of work that will inspire you to imagine creative tragedy scenes for video games.

Also, Rysen's FF music remixes in 8-bit form are very good. The FFVII Aeris theme in particular reminded me of how much I liked Final Fantasy VII...geez, that's been so long. FFVII was a great reason to get a Playstation. It's like a beautiful movie. The last twenty seconds of Anna's Theme, I believe, remind me of Aeris's Theme.

Very well done stuff. Rysen makes me wish I could make my own music...which, with a bit more free time, I may at least give it a try. Maybe I'd start with a simple 8-bit NES theme or something.

Posted on 2004-04-07 22:12:19 (last edited on 2004-04-07 22:13:52)

Troupe

Yes, Rysen is completely awesome. Can you post a link to wherever you got that music?

Posted on 2004-04-08 02:00:56

Rysen

Uh...wow.

I really don't know what to say. I really appreciate the compliments...it's...a pretty amazing feeling to have someone, unprovoked, praise the very thing that you strive to be the best you can be at. I've never composed music for the sake of having people compliment me, but I'd be a liar if I didn't admit that comments like yours inspires me to do more. :)

Uematsu is the reason that I compose today. He really opened my eyes (well..ears I guess ;P) to the idea of instrumental music. I got into music early in my life (I began playing guitar at the age of 8) for the sole purposes of becoming a "Rock star". :P And of course at that time it wasn't "cool" to like classical, or instrumental music. But after hearing the Aria di Mezzo Caraterre for the first time...my mind completely changed. Then VII came out, and I fell in love with Aerith's Theme even more, (which is still my favourite Uematsu composition to date.) So it's really not surprising that you would find things that would remind you of that in Anna's Theme.

The NES stuff, heh, kind of started as joke. I did the FF5 one, sent it to a couple of people, and was then asked to do more. :P I actually have a couple of Chrono Triggar remixes on my hard drive that I haven't bothered to upload yet. I have a ton of stuff that I'd love to upload, but I am too poor to have my own web space. :(

Music is awesome, and I hope that if you ever get the time to try and get into it, that you get as much out of it as I have. Just remember that you won't make a "masterpiece" over night, and some times that can be discouraging. I always laugh when I listen to my first attempt at tracking and compare it to something more recent....I also recommend seriously looking into studying music theory. It really opens your eyes to things that you'd never think of trying before. But most importantly, compose, compose, compose. The more you do it, the better you get. :)

Thanks again for the awesome review. It's a really great feeling to hear the things that you've said.

Check out Troupe's music as well. He's a great composer, and really knows how to use a tracker. :)

Troupe: You can download all the music that he talked about by following the music link on my web page.

Posted on 2004-04-08 03:22:00

Omni

I consider myself a big fan of instrumental music too. More specifically, any music that can create, alter, or enhance a mood or feeling wins big points with me.

I really wish I could compose music, but unfortunately any effort will have to be freelance--I was not much of a music student in high school (though perhaps my children could be) and I doubt I'll be able to in college. It doesn't entirely discourage me from taking a chance at it though...g

Aria di Mezzo Caraterre...Uematsu's work? Where is that from?

As a side note, I think this has been a post before, but most of my musical interests are instrumental, japanese pop, and bad cheese rock (which my musically-inclined friends aren't a big fan of). I've got quite a few soundtracks I enjoy:

Zone of the Enders OST (opening theme and Viola's Silent Death are good)
FF8, FF8 Piano, FF8 Orchestral
Xenosaga (battle, Gnosis Theme, Prologue)
Xenogears (ending, opening)
Chrono Chross (Garden of the Gods, Dragon God, Lost Fragments, Star Stealing Girl)
.Hack//SIGN OST
Grandia II (A Deus)
Lunar 1 & 2
ICO (You Were There, Heal)
Sonic Adventure 2 (Live and Learn, Supporting Me)
Ys Healing
And of course, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Dracula X: Rondo of Blood (the good PC Engine one)...Castlevania music is good.

Yeah, I just kinda felt like rattling that stuff off.

Posted on 2004-04-08 04:07:22

Rysen

Aria di Mezzo Caraterre is the song Celes sings in FF6. The whole opera is great, in my honest opinion. So much so that it actually inspired me to go watch a real one.....as much as I like to consider myself a fan of all types of music these days, I must say I really didn't enjoy it. :P It was called La Traviata, in case you're wondering.

When it comes to music theory, I'm actually mostly self taught. I bought a couple of books, and there are some great sites on the internet, that really helped. I took band in high school, but didn't really learn anything I didn't all ready know, theory wise anyway. It was a great experience to hear all the different instruments, and listen to how each part made up the song as a whole. I played bass guitar, and being a guitarist years before, it really wasn't difficult to pick up. I really regret not trying something different like a woodwind or brass.

My family never had a lot of money, and music lessons can be very expensive, so I was pretty much forced to teach myself. If you play an instrument, this is even better in that, as you learn songs, you notice that certain chords sound good together, and that certain notes sound good while a chord is playing. Theory, harmony, etc, just makes you understand *why* this is the case, as you learn about scales, keys, modes, etc. But that's not to say that you *need* to know theory in order to compose, to be honest there was a time when I thought I wrote better before I learned the "rules". I guess it just kind of helps to understand it a little more, and that if you're ever stuck you can revert to them to help create your next musical idea.

Also, I am a big fan of j-pop! And from your list, I'd say you have a pretty awesome taste in music. ~_^

Posted on 2004-04-08 05:17:35 (last edited on 2004-04-08 05:20:12)

rpgking

Wow, that was some awesome music. Anna's Theme really did sound great. Oh, and I seemed to have pushed you over your daily transfer limit :O

Posted on 2004-04-08 05:36:46 (last edited on 2004-04-08 05:37:09)

Troupe

Thanks Rysen :) All the stuff I've been working on recently is for Midsummer (Alexandir's game), but when he gets his progress page up everyone can check out whatever music he puts up there. And I think I'll get your tunes tonight at Rage's house (he has broadband =D).

Omni, Rysen said it first, but you definately have good taste in music. You are obviously a Yasunori Mitsuda fan (whether you know it or not) and he really inspired me more than Uematsu. If you can strive to produce music like what you mentioned above, I'm sure you can make some really awesome stuff! But like Ry said, it takes lots and lots of practice. I don't usually laugh, but cry when I hear my first tunes. The production is terrible, a lot of it doesn't make any sense, and its obvious I didn't know what I was doing, but hell, at least it was fun.

I was also self-taught in pretty much all my tracking (and non-tracking musical endeavors). It really helps to know how to play an instrument. Trememndously. Astoundingly. Even if you can just play some chords on the guitar, it helps your melodic sense a lot. To be honest, I don't really know theory that well. I just think up a melody, put it down, and then play the song over and over and follow it to its logical conclusion. That said, not everyone is going to track like that, so figure out what works for you.

The most important thing- LISTEN TO MUSIC!

Posted on 2004-04-08 14:16:34

anonymous

"I don't usually laugh, but cry when I hear my first tunes. The production is terrible, a lot of it doesn't make any sense, and its obvious I didn't know what I was doing, but hell, at least it was fun."

Very well said! You guys make it sound quite enjoyable.

I imagine I will try composing a bit of my own music for my games sometime. And the quality will be just as questionable :)

As a side note, for tracking purposes, what programs do you guys use? I know there's Modplug Tracker but I've heard there are some better programs out there.

Posted on 2004-04-08 17:44:57

Omni

And, that was me :)

Posted on 2004-04-08 17:45:42

Rysen

RPGKing: Thanks! And the bandwidth thing...well it's geocities. :P It's not a very high transfer rate as it is, but it's never been a problem before, so *shrugs* But, it's free so I can't complain. ^_^

Omni: For tracking software, all I've ever used is ModPlug. Stuff like Anna's Theme, a Tragedy, etc. are all recorded in real time using Cubase, a keyboard, some midi cables, and a kick ass set of VST Instruments. This is where music can get bloody expensive. ^_^

Wait for Troupe's response, he's the man when it comes to tracking software. My personal choice is ModPlug, but, it really isn't the tracking software that makes the quality...it's, really the quality of samples and how you use effects on them, to produce the sounds that you want. In my honest opinion tracking is a whole different ball game than just composing....But as I said the more you do it, the better you get at it. :)

Posted on 2004-04-08 18:36:40

zaril

Viva la musica de Rysen! Keep them fingers trackin' mate.

Posted on 2004-04-08 22:59:52

Troupe

Zaril! I saw your |tracking nick the other day! Keep at it as well!

As for software, I am totally and completely limited to tracking. I don't use any midi whatsoever. And to be honest, I can't get comfortable with anything other than modplug. I dig the interface, its flexible, yada yada. But like Rysen said, its really the samples and the way you use them that make the big difference.

That being said, where can I get some of those crazy awesome samples Ry!

Posted on 2004-04-08 23:45:20

Omni

Also...is there any one good "introduction to tracking" tutorial you guys might know of?

Posted on 2004-04-09 00:23:08

Troupe

Yeah, its called get on IRC and ask me questions (thats how I learned, although I asked someone else, not myself...)

And my god! I swear you VERGE people site on your email and forum sites and hit f5 continuously.... OK maybe I'm guilty of the same thing, but anyway...

THREAD HIJACK/CHEAP PLUG!!!!

Alexandir just sent me an email saying he was about to upload this page: uk.geocities.com/fccouk/progress.htm

It should contain some (or all) of the music I've been working on for Midsummer.

*EDIT*
Hey, I forgot the most important thing! I finally listened to Rysen's tunes, and they rock! I can definately hear the influence of expensive equipment, but that can only get you so far. Great tunes, Anna's Theme managed to give me goosebumps once or twice :)

Posted on 2004-04-09 00:38:27 (last edited on 2004-04-09 00:44:48)

Rysen

Zaril's the man, and the reason I got into tracking. He introduced me to modplug, and listened to hours of questions, and horrible first attempts. One of my all time favourites by him is "Flying on a Dragon". I want to hear new tunes zaril! It's been too long since we've spoken. :)

As for an introduction to tracking, heh, well oddly enough I had an article with that title uploaded to the Vergesource. I found my copy on my hard drive, but about 90% of the links are now dead, meaning the article probably wouldn't be of any use to you. There was one thing out there called "The Trackers Handbook", which was pretty good....ah, here's the link:

Clicky!

That should help a bit, but as Troupe said, get on IRC and questions!

Thanks for the compliments. Anna's Theme truly is my pride and joy. I should've released a bunch of crappier ones first, so that I wouldn't have to live up to that song though. ^_^;

Posted on 2004-04-09 02:15:47 (last edited on 2004-04-09 02:32:16)

Troupe

Yeah, Zaril was a huge early influence on me too. Praise the Lord of Tracking!

Posted on 2004-04-09 04:39:16

Omni

I remember Zaril's Solemn Night. That was awesome. Very good jazz.

Solemn Night, Flying on a Dragon, Indescribable Love, Spiritual Starshine, Spacious Earth. When I first came to Verge in 2002 I downloaded all that stuff from the Vergesource and listened to it while I read through Megatokyo for the first time. Fond memories, really.

I agree with Rysen, too--Flying on a Dragon is the bomb. Thanks for the tutorial link :)

Posted on 2004-04-09 04:44:52 (last edited on 2004-04-09 04:48:49)

zaril

Thank you for the praise, eventhough this thread is about Rysen's music and not mine. Wether it was I or a dog in southern texas that inspired any of you, I'm glad that both Troupe and Rysen have evolved in their compositional skills in order to fly past me in this genre.

My personal site is updated almost daily now. Feel free to visit.

Posted on 2004-04-09 17:51:11

Troupe

Hey, really cool site! And you've got vinter on there, I listened to that for an hour and 15 minutes once...

And also Zaril, you really have made a huge impact on the VERGE music community (whether you like to admit it or not), and I (and I'm sure others) thank you very much. I'm sure neither Rysen or myself would be half what we are today if it wasn't for your influence.

Cheers to Zaril!

Posted on 2004-04-09 18:28:57

Omni

Sometimes it's hard not to complement everybody :)

Posted on 2004-04-09 19:16:08


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