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Alex

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

1) Comparing TVs? You're both disqualified from life.

I was joking! I want to be reinstated to life!

...and anyway, he started it.

Posted on 2004-06-15 21:42:41

mcgrue

Sorry. You're sentenced to 4 to 6 years of being a Revenant. You will walk the earth as the living dead until your debt to society has been repaid. You may rejoin the living early as a reward for good behavior (ie, shambling at respectable speeds, not eating brains, not infecting entire nation-states with zombitis...)

Posted on 2004-06-15 21:54:29

Zip

At risk of being kicked from these boards for being deeply sad, the US uses 120 V AC and the UK uses 240 V AC (not 110 and 220). Overall I'd say the greater efficency of the higher voltage system is better, as more voltage being directly proportional to higher risk is somewhat of a myth. I've recieved a very low ampage 240 volt shock and was just very surprised.
As for PAL vs. NTCS, bah! I can barely tell the difference anyway. Interestingly though there are some 60Hz PAL standards - combining the best of both systems. Of course all becoming rather irrelevant compared to 1024x768 75Hz :D

Zip

Posted on 2004-06-15 23:00:06

Omni

Hey. Unfair. You're too informed and unbiased to make the argument any fun :)

Posted on 2004-06-15 23:03:51

Alex

Quote:Originally posted by Zip

Interestingly though there are some 60Hz PAL standards - combining the best of both systems.

PAL60 actually has the same drawback as NTSC, i.e. a reduced number of lines... though I think it may retain the increased hue stability of PAL.

EDIT: Having already been disqualified from life, I do not fear posting this.

Posted on 2004-06-15 23:17:50 (last edited on 2004-06-15 23:20:00)

Zip

Omni - :D

Alex - Sir, having checked various sources, I find you are indeed right, PAL-M inherits the colour encoding only, not the higher number of scan lines. Of course the new digital formats are making all this rather irrelevant. I might be the only person in the world who thinks VHS is better quality than DVD - too often the compression creates noticable background artifacts (especially on smoke and such like) that put me off in a way analouge never would.

I think I'm probably disqualified from life as well now...

Zip

Posted on 2004-06-15 23:37:30

Interference22

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

Sorry. You're sentenced to 4 to 6 years of being a Revenant. You will walk the earth as the living dead until your debt to society has been repaid. You may rejoin the living early as a reward for good behavior (ie, shambling at respectable speeds, not eating brains, not infecting entire nation-states with zombitis...)


You know, you could replace the word "Revenant" in this post with the words "telephone call-centre employee" and it would still make sense.

Posted on 2004-06-15 23:56:41

Alex

Quote:Originally posted by Interference22

You know, you could replace the word "Revenant" in this post with the words "telephone call-centre employee" and it would still make sense.

But I think you have to live in India to be a call centre employee nowadays... I'd rather be a Revenant. Don't like hot weather.

Quote:Originally posted by Zip

VHS is better quality than DVD

That's what I thought when I first saw those dodgy artefacts and stuff (though it wasn't a very good quality recording). But even with those, there's still so much more detail in the DVD picture. I'll be very surprised if I ever buy another VHS tape.

Posted on 2004-06-16 00:19:52

vecna

The worst thing ever is seeing compression artifacts in HDTV broadcasts. Still, while both HDTV streams and DVDs DO and WILL have comprssion artifacts, anything well-mastered will not have noticable artifacts.

Posted on 2004-06-16 18:32:04

Alex

Did anyone see the first game of Euro 2004? I'm positive I saw artefacts around the players at times... first time I've ever seen that on TV. What's going on there? Better not happen again or I shall write an angry letter to Terry Wogan.

Posted on 2004-06-16 18:59:57 (last edited on 2004-06-16 19:00:38)

Interference22

Artifacts bad, higher resolution good. DVD compression tends to hate solid blocks of colour, though: goes a little patchy in areas. I HATE DVD video playback on PC. The drives wear out terrifyingly quickly, most DVD playing software screws about with the subtitles and fast moving text becomes an illegible blur.

Also, the smaller format means I can fit more on shelves. And the quantity of stuff you can fit on one DVD! I can now fit Black Books series 1 and 2 into my pockets without destroying my trousers! Excellence.

Posted on 2004-06-17 00:15:53

Alex

DVD drives wear out fast? I've had mine for years and it's still Ok... which is more than can be said for my DVD player software, PowerDVD, which crashes if you're not 800x600 when you click on "play". Ridiculous. DVD software forcing you change screenmode to play a DVD is like an oven forcing you spit on your food before it'll cook it... Er, at least to my mind.

I don't like being ruled by inanimate things.

Black Books is good.

Posted on 2004-06-17 00:32:28

Zip

Third Black Books, but is a pocket sized edition that essential?

What I find incredible about digtital video is how good a well made rip is compared to the original, especially when the source is rather poorly encoded in the first place and they can apply various filters. Can help but think that as DVDs generally have ~6 times the amount of available storage they really should be better. Guess as people get more used to the technology, and even larger formats like blueray come in, things will contiue to improve.

Zip

Posted on 2004-06-17 00:47:24

vecna

Rips are great for the following reasons:

1) Quality is pretty damned close to the original. Good enough anyway. Obviously there are certain movies you want to own on DVD, but for things like TV shows, rips are almost as good as the real thing.
2) They're better than the real thing because they're small enough you can archive, so you can play them on demand, and when I say on demand, I mean it. You double click and there it is, you can seek around it instantly, without having to get up and get the right DVD, muck around with the drive spinning up, being noisy, having crappy ass seek times, etc. And skipping around is much easier in media player than with dvd fast forward/etc controls.

I have 440gigs of storage, and about 120 free presently. Not to incriminate myself, but one might suspect that I could probably easily have all of Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Brisco County Jr, Sopranos, Futurama, Babylon 5, Cowboy Bebop, Andromeda, Crusade, and two dozen assorted movies in that amount of space. Not counting mp3s, software and games.

And thats one of the reasons piracy is rampant. Because the pirated version is not only free, its better - more convenient, less encumbered - than the real thing. Same goes with mp3s, but at least there are venues to legally buy mp3s now.

Posted on 2004-06-17 03:02:39

Zip

Yeah, the number of DVDs I have lying around I could easily have ~180Gb of anime. If they weren't all blank.

But on your other point of ease of use, it's amazing how little time I spend listening to my CDs rather than just the mp3s I have easy access to on the comp. Who'd ever have though putting a cd in a drive would become such a chore...

Zip

Posted on 2004-06-17 03:26:12

Gayo

220 volts is only good for improved electrocution! Which is a plus, I admit, but it's not something I'm especially concerned with in my own house.

Posted on 2004-06-17 03:46:24

blues_zodiakos

Yeesh, Vecna. I am now the Man Formerly Known as the Pirate Master. I bow to you.

Posted on 2004-06-17 07:52:30

cronoodle

Quote:Originally posted by vecna

Rips are great for the following reasons:

1) Quality is pretty damned close to the original. Good enough anyway. Obviously there are certain movies you want to own on DVD, but for things like TV shows, rips are almost as good as the real thing.
2) They're better than the real thing because they're small enough you can archive, so you can play them on demand, and when I say on demand, I mean it. You double click and there it is, you can seek around it instantly, without having to get up and get the right DVD, muck around with the drive spinning up, being noisy, having crappy ass seek times, etc. And skipping around is much easier in media player than with dvd fast forward/etc controls.

I have 440gigs of storage, and about 120 free presently. Not to incriminate myself, but one might suspect that I could probably easily have all of Farscape, Stargate SG-1, Brisco County Jr, Sopranos, Futurama, Babylon 5, Cowboy Bebop, Andromeda, Crusade, and two dozen assorted movies in that amount of space. Not counting mp3s, software and games.

And thats one of the reasons piracy is rampant. Because the pirated version is not only free, its better - more convenient, less encumbered - than the real thing. Same goes with mp3s, but at least there are venues to legally buy mp3s now.


I'm not sure if this topic is dead, but i was perusing and thought i'd add something in there...

i've got more cds and dvds than i can relly keep track of and or find when i feel like playing a particular game, or listening to a cd... converting music to mp3s and cds to iso is really the only way i can keep track of that stuff. I have a tendancy to just give the original cd away after i've copied it. (not sure if that's legal or not) especially when music is concerned, because my girlfriend and i often 'taste test' new music and then distribute the original cds to our friends when we find something that they like.

now, in a wierd twist of fate, it seems the current in my house in unstable and has caused several electrical issues. (sparks, breakers flipping, toast that won't toast, high terrorism alerts, and poltergeist) I suppose that i should have known something was up when the wall outlets only had two prongs. (no slot for the ground) but, i kinda just ignored it. until the breaker in my room flipped and crashed my hard drive (on a seperate rant... hitachi sucks ass!) costing me a great deal of time to try and restore or replace all the files i lost. so... 110,120,220... or in my case all of the above, can be bad for your hard drive... what makes this all the more retarded is that i actually work on servers, and have access to an ups if i wanted it, but never really thought about it... so... damn the power grid, but... any sacrifice to be near the ocean, right?

Posted on 2004-10-28 00:34:00


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