using the various tools, to what extent do you need to know how to program?

The tutorials are look helpful for a programmer starting out in Verge but to a complete non programmer it looks kinda complicated..

I typed an encouraging paragraph, but then I accidentally clicked something and lost it. So this time, I'll go for brevity.

Verge basically requires you to code, so any previous knowledge helps. But there are libraries (Sully, for example) that are being made to ease the process. Programming is admittedly hard to explain, so you'll need to learn for yourself. Prior coding knowledge helps a lot, but certainly isn't necessary.

I learned how to program from the hideous mess we called verge 2 back when I was in Grade 7. This was by no means a painless or short experience, but I can share how I gradually learned things. I learned from other peoples' code, and tried to make sense of things where possible. I read the very few articles out there, and the manual, and kept trying until I got results. If I was stuck after a long day, I knew I needed help. That's where the forums were helpful, and with dialup I could remember the short time I had to read those posts, and was able to take the help to heart.

Study, study. Arguably just like art, music or writing, you need to examine other peoples' works in order to teach yourself concepts. Once learned though, your reliance on other peoples' code becomes a lot less, and you can work a lot faster. If you're wanting comments or an idea on how to do something, just holler and we can try to tell you what we know.

Lastly, I'll classify the three main beginner's tutorials, since I remember doing this in the original post for some reason.

http://rysen.actionsketch.com/VergeTutorial/ "A Beginner's Guide to Verge3" - Rysen's tutorial. Task-oriented, but explains code as well. It seems the best to learn from, but it could use a little grammar and spelling revision...

http://ovk.actionsketch.com/V3Tutorial/ "Exploring Verge 3" - My old tutorial. Code-oriented, rather than task-oriented, meaning that it explains lots of crap about coding with verge rather than how to apply this code. A lot of it's bad and assumes you already know how to program.

http://ovk.actionsketch.com/V3Tutorial/Easy/ "On the Verge of Verging" - My new tutorial. Very task-oriented. Doesn't assume you know how to program, but neither does it try and teach you. It's more aimed at how I use "simple" code to accomplish small steps towards making a game. It could use better explanation of code concepts admittedly.

Ok, I went through the tutorials and learned the basics. From there on I think that I just need to advance with the programming language. What I was wondering is if there are any examples on how to write battle scripts,transition screens, weather, battle animations etc... not to mention paperdoll effects!

To a complete newbie like myself it's pretty confusing as to where to start and what to do to start it!

thanks a lot guys. I'm really quite surprised at how helpful this forum is.

VergeC is its worst feature! :D

...Well, sometimes.

And windows users have Maped 3.

Sarcasm tastes like a dying 9-volt battery.

Wow, Omni. Neither! Thanks for playing, though!