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mcgrue

In the previous newspost's talkbacks, Creek23 said:


I scanned the source code last night, and I'm confused about what I read

there was a #define for WINDOWS, then APPLE (which I presume to be for Mac VERGE) but I got excited when I saw PSP. Is it the accronym for PlayStation Portable?

Are you trying to make VERGE as emulator for PSP games?

Interesting question. Are we making verge a PSP emulator?

Not quite...

Posted on 2005-12-14 23:19:07 (last edited on 2005-12-14 23:20:14)

zeromus

why did you take a picture of my crotch? at least you had the decency to cover it up with something

Posted on 2005-12-14 23:29:51

mcgrue

The more important question is "How could I not take a picture of your crotch?"

Talk about majesty!

Posted on 2005-12-14 23:36:00

resident

PSP? Bah.

Get it onto the GP2X, THEN I'll be interested.

Posted on 2005-12-14 23:39:11

creek23

so I was (almost) right! you compiled verge for PSP. that's actually what came to my mind first but I though VERGE was designed for PC.... but then again, evolution's pretty surprising.

wow!

follow up question. since VERGE is a game engine. and with VC, we make games. I, once again, presume that I could also make PSP games now? ...hmmm....

did you install VERGE inside your PSP or was VERGE with "Sully Chronicles" on disc? you just made me more ignorant, now... ^^

Posted on 2005-12-15 06:00:38

vecna

1) Grue, you suck at taking pictures!

2) You need a PSP with 1.5 firmware (or 2.0, using the 2.0 ->1.5 downgrader). You just install verge onto the memory card, by connecting your psp via a USB cable.

Posted on 2005-12-15 07:39:19

mcgrue

...Okay, it was actually Zero taking the pictures, guys.

And yes, it's his own lap. He's that fascinated with his own bits!

Posted on 2005-12-15 09:15:21

Omni

I am guessing that, in fact, Vecna has ported Xerxes to PSP, which in turn enabled a port of Verge?

Is it actually functional? I mean, obviously a portable and actual game console have memory restrictions and stuff that aren't exactly...PC program friendly...

EDIT: ....Nintendo DS?

Posted on 2005-12-15 09:25:21 (last edited on 2005-12-15 09:34:04)

mcgrue

Quote:
Originally posted by resident

PSP? Bah.

Get it onto the GP2X, THEN I'll be interested.



The source is now open, GP2X is linux, is it not?

Sounds like a project for... someone else!

Posted on 2005-12-15 09:44:56

zeromus

1) Grue, you suck at taking pictures!


MY CAMERA SUCKS i hate it

Posted on 2005-12-15 10:33:33

mcgrue

This is relevant:

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/15/psp_201_firmware_unl.html

Posted on 2005-12-15 13:46:53

resident

Yeah, i was thinking about it, and it really would be a colossal pain to get Verge running on it. I don't think it uses ANY of VERGE API's. It's all SDL and the likes.

Still, it would be great to see it on the GP2X. GP2X NEEDS games of the awesomeness of Sully, and running homebrew on the GP2X is it's raison'd-etre, unlike the PSP (or DS) where it's a huge hairy deal to run homebrew.

Posted on 2005-12-15 14:55:44

mcgrue

Isn't the Mac build all SDL?

Posted on 2005-12-15 15:12:42

Jesse

Quote:
Originally posted by mcgrue

Isn't the Mac build all SDL?



Yes.

Posted on 2005-12-15 15:23:23

resident

<strongbad>Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh)</strongbad>

Posted on 2005-12-16 03:48:45

resident

dammit, double post.

Posted on 2005-12-16 03:48:58 (last edited on 2005-12-16 03:51:56)

creek23

Quote:
Originally posted by mcgrue

This is relevant:

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/15/psp_201_firmware_unl.html

(...correct me if im wrong...)

according to that site, installing VERGE to memory is like hacking already. aint Sony going to sue all of us who would be doing such.

as fan of VERGE *technology*, im happy to see games on PSP using VERGE, but it seems illegal...

Posted on 2005-12-16 05:39:11

rpgking

Wow, this is an extremely cool development. And creek23, how does this seem illegal?

Posted on 2005-12-16 09:00:57

CrazyAznGamer

...Recently there has been much crazy.
=O
Wow...
This almost makes me want to get a PSP.
Almost

I'm sure it's legal. I'm also sure that Sony won't encourage it. But hell, they can't sue us, the stuff's free, including the games are free, and it's "run it at your own risk" kinda free.
(Not that most of us care)

Posted on 2005-12-16 10:30:58

Kildorf

It's a good question whether it's really legal or not. I'm sure Sony would have you believe that installing software you like on hardware that you own is illegal, but as the recent rootkit revelations show, Sony is not necessarily completely savvy or truthful about what is and isn't legal. I'm sure they have some rabid lawyers ready to send cease-and-desist letters as soon as anything big shows up, whether or not they have any legal or moral high-ground here. They'd probably say you were trying to steal their industry secrets or hack the Gibson or something.

What I'm really curious about is what it would take to make an actual disc (or whatever) to stick in the PSP and play. Again, it is probably legally ambiguous, and I don't even have a PSP to test it out on. I'm just a curious guy. :D

Edit: Also, just wanted to add: CrazyAznGamer, whether something is free or not is pretty irrelevant to legality, particularly copyright laws. This is a big myth that's sort of circulated around, that if you're not making money off of something then copyright is inapplicable or whatever. You can get just as sued for infringing copyright in a free game as for selling movie bootlegs. It's just that it is usually not really worthwhile from a monetary or public-relations point-of-view to sue people like fanfic writers. It's pretty common, actually, for free games and mods to get nixed... they call it "Foxing". Check out Penny Arcade's newpost for Wednesday (Dec 16). I'd give you a direct link but I'm at work behind a restrictive firewall which probably won't let me get at it.

Posted on 2005-12-16 12:05:39 (last edited on 2005-12-16 12:11:30)


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