ahh a challenge...
First off I'd like to say that milloy is possibly the most sucessful corprate propagandist of our time. Its funny you would link me to an article of his. If you were to look into his past, he was hired by the tobacco corporations to support them when they were trying to convince the public that 2nd hand smoke wasnt a harm to anyone. Milloy even went as far to attack the new england journal of medicine.

As far as disproving his article, I'm going to have to do some research but what I hink might be misleading is the incredably small amount of carbon dioxide that represents the earth's green house effect. I had a physics/astronomy teacher give a small lecture about how if it rises above 0.18 or something, then things will become disasterous. Currently I cant support this but give me a few days and if I cant find a text that supports it... if I cant, well then, you will have won lore.

And as for my mind only being able to be changed by a democrat, lemme just say that my view on war cannot be changed by anyone. I believe war is wrong and always will be but at the same time, if its justified, it can be necessary. Such as I believe WWII was necessary.

How can you justify war by saying its human nature? We as humans have been able to overcome our human nature over and over again and melded our selves to be more than just an animal bent on its own survival. Never will I ever agree with anyone who tried to justify killing a human being. In my opinion those who wish to kill his own kind might as well kill himself.

As for the anonymous poster... I hope your being sarcastic.

My goal in life is to make life better for everyone, not go around throwing nukes.

Quote:Originally posted by RageCage

How can you justify war by saying its human nature?

Becuase it is true.


We as humans have been able to overcome our human nature over and over again and melded our selves to be more than just an animal bent on its own survival. Never will I ever agree with anyone who tried to justify killing a human being. In my opinion those who wish to kill his own kind might as well kill himself.

You just owned yourself, my friend. Have fun blowing your own brains out.


As for the anonymous poster... I hope your being sarcastic.


I'm sure he was, although he was mean and it bugged me that he posted anonymously :(


My goal in life is to make life better for everyone, not go around throwing nukes.


A noble goal. The fact that you support World War II is.. odd, considering we used nukes in that war. Hitler was a crazy mother fucker, what are we supposed to do? Sometimes in order to make life better for everyone you have kick some ass. Superman, Batman, Spider Man. No one is suggesting that we go around and throw nukes everywhere, we just have to fight bad guys head on. I just don't think Saddam was bad enough (and this is easily debated) to warrant a war. And I think there were many other ways of solving the problem.

Conflict is human nature, not war. War is a *form* of conflict but on a mass scale with the added ingredient of killing eachother, which ISN'T human nature or we'd all be doing it. We don't HAVE to do it and many don't want to. It's just an easy way out for some people, who see that displaying that they clearly have a bigger stick for hitting people with than anyone else will make a problem solve itself.

Like Interference, I don't think conflict (as in war) is in human nature, it's just in the nature of some individuals, for humans are very sociable creatures, certainly compared to most other animals. Ninety percent of us would I'm sure prefer to resolve things verbally rather than resort to the Big Stick (unlike hamsters, for example, who as a general rule are vicious little bastards when they come into contact with others of their kind). The remaining ten percent who would rather fight are idiots whose brush we as a species should not be tarred with.
Obviously I'm guessing with those numbers, and they would be much different amongst the political ranks, who undoubtely have a much higher psycho-to-normal ratio than mankind in general. Also, this is all just my opinion, and I may be giving us all far too much credit... :(


fig. 1: a hamster, vicious

You just owned yourself, my friend. Have fun blowing your own brains out.


How DARE you say that I WANT to kill people!? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!

Because I said that I thought WWII was nesessary does NOT mean I wanted it to happen. When hitler was trying to commit genocide, its important we stop him. By that I am supporting less death. not more. If it was my decision I would have never let hitler do what he did.

"In my opinion those who wish to kill his own kind might as well kill himself."

Eh, what? You said you thought anyone that wanted to kill someone should die. I find that statement to be contradictory. There is little interpretation involved, unless you just didn't mean what you said, which I could understand.

Regardless, I believe that if war was so disasterous, it wouldn't happen. It is certainly horrible and should be a avoided, but saying it should never happen for any reason is slightly ignorant, I believe.

I heard somewhere that whenver a war results, it is because of some failure on humanity's part.

The problem with war is...presume the following:

Governments are the expediencies to allow human communication on the vast scale.

Governments tend to become autonomous from the people who originally created them. (All institutions inherently provide for their self-preservation and prosperity).

Governments declare war.

Thus, it is unusual and tragic that war occurs on a level of interaction outside personal relationships. It is doubly unusual that it is human beings who created that obfuscating layer. Human beings are being manipulated by an entity beyond their direct control, whom they created. And it's being staffed by other human beings.

EDIT: From this I hypothesize that it is the self-preservation and prosperity instinct of any government that leads to war.

Ah, if only someone published the conversations I have with my friends.

Well, we'd at least shock somebody.