Just wanted to note this...

Yes, VC is never mentioned in acronym. But so isn't tSB.

Kinda odd to me that the creator is giving someone else the credit.

*shrugs, going back to DMing*

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I said not to continue. Not to harass me. I'm in a fit of rage. I can't promise constinency or rational thinking. I apologize in advance. Some people need to know when to quit. Avoid battering an fleeing soldier. Or else...

"There now, isn't that easier than typing page after page of text, than responding to each sentence one at a time? You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but -- as you may have noticed -- it's not a particularly popular one, and your ad nauseum repetition of it has not made it any more popular."

It would have been easier for you to go on and ignore them. Then I would look like a bafoon. You didn't so shut it. Instead my opinion got across and you're just being too stubborn to admit that I'm partially true in some of my arguements. As for popularity...I'm not dying to win a popularity contest. Who ever said I was? I don't give a damn what a bunch of seventeen-to twenty one plus year olds think of me. I'm being truthful to myself and that's fine by me.

Your community's opinion doesn't make me a lesser man. Go away.

"The fact of the matter is that by releasing VERGE under the GPL, Vecna has implicitly granted people permission to create new products with the same name, provided they acknowledge differences from the original in their documentation. If you have some deep-seated moral beliefs that prevent you from using or acknowledging v27, that's fine, but, please, stop telling us about them. "

No, the GPL grants people the permission to use the code in free software. tSB didn't use any such code. He used his own damn code thus he isn't entitled to use Verge as in Vecna's Extraordinary Roleplaying Game Engine.

As for vecna, he has never been a firm follower of the GPL. Check out his readme in WinVerge1. He believes it to be crap. Oh well, too late for Verge2. *sigh*

As for the name "Verge", I'm sure vecna doesn't have the right to the name Verge, but he has the right to advertise what he thinks is his Verge. So fine, if
you wanna use the name Verge, okay. Just go away, form your own webpage/community/monopoly and let me develop my goddamn game instead of hearing you bitch about what Verge is. I've heard you from most of you and while some (locke, tSB, Rayner, and zaril to a degree) have impressed me with thier maturity (but not by thier sincerity), you have not.

I can tell you whatever I feel like. I can tell when I'm releasing a demo, I can tell you how I like your artwork, I can tell you when and why you're being a complete loser. My right, your right. Fine? Go away.

"But that's not really why you wrote that, is it? It's really because you want a version of VERGE that runs in Windows and supports VC, and no one's working on one. Well, you're going about it entirely the wrong way. VERGE is free software, and free software's motto is: "If you really want some software, make it yourself." Free software gives equal access to everyone; the flip side it that free software only gets made because its creators WANT to make it, not because YOU want them to make it."

I'm not giving demands anymore. I gave up. You're trying to make yourself look good winning a battle that I abandoned, JL. I wasn't being heard, so what's the point of giving 120%? There was none. I fled and said do whatever you want, just don't ask me for help or pity.

I really don't need a windows version of Verge. I just wanted to make sure that I could, in the future, cater to people using win2k. I'd cared but it doesn't matter now. It's taken enough time. Leave me to my work, bafoon.

As for creators giving into demands? Verge2 was the result of people demanding things, as was v2.7. JL, look at the fact. You disappeared. You came back. You are a frontrunning eltist. Go away.

"Thus, if you really want a version of VERGE with VC, you won't get anywhere by saying, "I refuse to acknowledge your product until it has VC in it." tSB is only developing VERGE because he thinks it is fun, and he has made it exceedingly clear that, to him, VC is not fun. Your continuous posting is unlikely to change his mind... quite the opposite, in fact."

No, he's developing his own game creation engine, nto vecna's. Did you eat a bullet recently and are still suffering from an acute case of rigor mortis? As for making tSB stubborn, I doubt I'm. But if I'm, sheesh, he should really consider who he wants to appease egotistic pricks and frontrunning elitists like you or himself. I, for one, don't want him appeasing me because I couldn't care less. He's wasting his time now helping me.

And I find VC to be a shitload of fun. Just because you couldn't use your l33t scripting skills in it, doesn't mean that others couldn't. Go away.

"A better way to get VC support is to say, "I'm making a version of VERGE that supports VC -- who's with me?" If you don't end up making it after that, well, you probably didn't want it as badly as you thought you did."

Yes, I said I wanted it because I cared enough to demand the capability of serving it to a particular audience. However, now, I don't.

As for making a windows version of VC Verge...Ha. Let's recall your failure, chump. You tried to make a python version of Verge and failed. You have no right to say that because you pretty much didn't want it either.

As for making another version of Verge, why bother?
When I have the skills (and I will eventually), I'll just make my own bloody engine and game and I won't be calling it Verge to be nostaligic.

Let me be. I have said what I had to say and defended and clarified what I had to.

You are a maggot feeding off the corpses on a battlefield. Find a better way of celebrating victory rather than laying eggs like a fly in the wounds of a still breathing man.

Go away and make your game. And don't say you're tired because you haven't made a single effort yet. Trigem and a failed Verge variation doesn't count as an effort.

Again, I apologize (unless you're JL). Make an effort by not adding to this situation. I've had it up to here. Please let me work on my game. My game and your game is more important than your ego anyday.

*sigh*

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On a side-note,
who promised you that you didn't have to limit your audience?

You didn't use my speechbubble script - aren't you thankful I put it up for you

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zaril@hellven.org - ICQ 7698022

So this was the last dance? =( What will I do at work..? ... work?? .... no way. Sheeze. Thank you for calling me insincere. I don't understand how I can even be mentioned as mature when my only goal is sitting and bashing you. You are telling people who have stayed with VERGE longer than you what to do and to get away from the society. Well, that way you won't earn respect, and if you don't want respect, please remove yourself from this board (I said please, that's no order, just a request for the better). My more mature and normal patience (some other me) is getting tired of you.

No one forces you to post, defend yourself, and people posting here is no excuse to not continue making your game. I hope the next post you make is more productive than destructive. Since I support the new verge fully as well as loving the old verge versions I feel quite in place here. From now on I'll make no childish posts in reply to your consistent ramblings, people will probably not shut up, if you continue posting in the manner you have. IF you are smart, IF you respect others - please show it, don't spit it out. If you reply, don't be afraid of being angry or whatever, I don't take offense from people I deem disrespectful. It's all about you so don't tell others how egoistic they are, it's all abotu you and your damn game. :)

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zaril@hellven.org - ICQ 7698022

Seeing how vecna has indirectly/more likely than not given v2.7 his blessing, I'll consider it...But if I do, let me just work on my game. SHEESH.

As a silly side note: :P That middle paragraph reminded me of many testimonials they have on those "sites". Not mocking you, just couldn't help but note the similarities.

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You should read my little story on my livejournal about Care. When people stop caring, we're just dooming ourselves. We don't "NEED" to care, but many of us do. Since you tell me you are respectful I understand you're trying. I don't see this come out very well though, ignoring me wouldn't have to be disrespectful (it's your choice) it could simply be a smart thing to do.

Ok, I'll take back that I've said you are disrespectful since I quite don't understand your morale when it comes to respect. I think it's a totally different thing compared to you, else I'd understand your ways.

I'll settle for Stubborn (takes one to know one).

Shunned, not cared for or respected. That's my scale, you don't want to be respected? Why be shunned or not cared for? Gaining respect from me is easy, all you have to do is want it. If you don't want it, I'll not force it upon you. I'm a nice guy and I just don't pick anyone to have a disagreement with.

I'll not rub you the wrong way - as long as you don't go Christina Aguilera on me.

Happy gaming to you and good luck.
May this argument be over - and my days at work be continuingly boring without someone to argue with. (SIGH)

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zaril@hellven.org - ICQ 7698022

My "battle" with you was because you wouldn't accept V 2.7 just because vecna hadn't opened his mouth (indeed, he has now). I find it a bit weird, but weirdness also makes the world go round. I'll try not to argue you further, instead try to understand you even if I am having difficulties understanding WHY (oh bloody why) you are so stubborn about VC and the name of V 2.7. ;) I'll prolly not stop arguing, cause I can't see much damage in it. I need a little tumbling around in 'fights' since I'm just too kind normally. I need to bash someone, and you seem to be able to take it. If you'd ask me to stop, I'll respect that though. Since you put it nicely "don't rub me the wrong way" I'm going to respect that.

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zaril@hellven.org - ICQ 7698022

we can leave you alone no problem, I'm sure the whole comunity could turn it's back on you without a second thought. I just doubt your ability to keep your end of the bargain.

what happens next time someone makes a post calling v2.7 verge? 10 to 1, your there bitching to us about how we're all wrong and you wont use it. we don't care, stop posting.

-Auroraborealisis

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Violence is not a strength, compasion is not a weakness.

I think your problem is that you just want to reign supreme. you don't want any lip from anyone after dealing out pages and pages of it yourself

you expect everyone to turn around, bend over and take it in the ass. granted, you are a pain in the ass, but thats not how it works.

-Auroraborealisis

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Violence is not a strength, compasion is not a weakness.

"I think your problem is that you just want to reign supreme. you don't want any lip from anyone after dealing out pages and pages of it yourself."

I don't want to reign supreme. I just wanted to voice my opinion and concerns. Besides what would I have to gain out of reigning supreme in the Verge community? Not a whole lot. So what would be the point?

And I never said I didn't want any lip. I was expecting bucketloads of it.

"you expect everyone to turn around, bend over and take it in the ass. granted, you are a pain in the ass, but thats not how it works."

No, I wasn't. I knew a lot of people would come down on me and speak thier mind as well. You're thinking that I'm some random prison convict who's looking for a fresh piece of meat. I'm not. I was, I repeat, voicing my opinions and concerns. That is about it.

As for being a pain in an ass? I could care less. Just thinking like that puts you on a lower scale. After all, I never insulted/bullied most of the posters who responded.

And if I did, it's because they were really being foolish (example: JL).

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