A *friendly* compo announcement
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TomT64

Sorry about the really bad announcement (also the heading which it was under) of a new compo Sometime around December 20, extending into January.

That said, I will run a compo starting December 20 and running into January and it will be all engines. If verge-rpg wishes to run a compo at the same time AND it is all engines, I will defer to them. Otherwise I will run the compo anyway, because I don't think it's fair for the other engines not to have a compo.

Also the compo will start and end at 12 PM (noon) Pacific time, because the midnight deadlines have been a little odd. It is most likely I will end the compo on a weekend day, or on a holiday, considering it will end in the daytime.

This is my friendly message on the subject. I apologize again for the crass comments before. No disrespect was intended to participants or the verge community, but I was definitely pissed at the person who screwed with my website. With respect, if you're reading this, please don't do it again.

Posted on 2004-08-23 23:21:19

grenideer

This sounds like a good idea. It would be cool to see a compo that has a huge amount of participation because several communities are joining in. Of course, if there's a huge amount of politics involved it might not be so cool.

Obviously this would have nothing to do with verge vs. sphere vs. ika vs. whoever else - it would be more about the actual games created than the engines used. But it would still be a good idea to have a panel of judges representative of all communities (and probably not a good idea to include dev team members, fanboys, etc.).

All that being said, if the verge community did decide to have a verge-only compo it wouldn't be unfair to other engines. It's not vecna's responsibility to promote sphere/ ika. There's no bad blood intended. On the flip side, I would hope vergers wouldn't condemn a multi-engine compo request with flames.

So to end this post on a positive note: let's all try to be friendly here. Verge 3 has already had a few successful compos and it might be time for a multi-engine super compo. I'd definitely be interested in seeing the submissions and participation if it happens.

Posted on 2004-08-24 07:44:46

athocreft

IMHO, I think it would be best for the Verge Community to join in on a multi-engine compo only after Sully Complete is finished. Will it be finished by December? Grue?

Posted on 2004-08-24 09:44:19

mcgrue

There will be a Sully out relatively and ambiguously soon. Zip and I make quick work on the simpletype version. Keep your eyes peeled for a news update.

As for any contests, it was announced quite a bit ago that the next 'major' HoV would be during the winter break since, you know, it makes sense and all to do that. What with you kids and your schooling.

At this time, I see no reason to change those plans.

There may be a small HoV or two in the interim months, quite possibly a weekend affair early in september before homework starts pouring in. Frankly, I don't know and play the little ones by ear, largely asking around if there's interest before announcing.

I am tired. That is all.

Posted on 2004-08-24 11:51:57

zonker6666

Just wanted to let u all know that I will be submitting a verge game to the classic remakes compo (remakes.org). If anything it will help verge get seen outside of the verge community a little bit. And if I get 1st place its 1000 bux worth of software for me HAHAHA! :)

Posted on 2004-08-24 19:44:54

Gayo

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

There will be a Sully out relatively and ambiguously soon.


"Two weeks."

Posted on 2004-08-24 21:42:20

mcgrue

Quote:Originally posted by zonker6666

Just wanted to let u all know that I will be submitting a verge game to the classic remakes compo (remakes.org). If anything it will help verge get seen outside of the verge community a little bit. And if I get 1st place its 1000 bux worth of software for me HAHAHA! :)


Hrm, would you like the 'official' v3 intro to go in front of your entry?

Posted on 2004-08-25 00:47:45

zonker6666

Yes grue - while i am bound to also having a splash screen of the remake.org guys and some of their sponsors I will definately have a big assed v3 logo splash :D

Posted on 2004-08-25 19:34:37

Thrasher

I don't think it's necessary to restrict the xmas compo to v3, is it? Couldn't you just run an all-engine compo instead? It wouldn't make much difference, and there would be more fun games to play in general. (That's always the point!)

v3 alone has its fair share of decent titles now that people are experienced enough to compete with ika and sphere. I just think it's a waste if you limit it to v3, since there are other willing participants. Just because verge-rpg hosts it doesn't mean it should only allow verge rpgs.

Posted on 2004-08-26 00:50:43 (last edited on 2004-08-26 00:51:00)

zonker6666

I agree with thrasher - the end result is what really matters.

Posted on 2004-08-26 03:29:30

Thrasher

That was directed to McGrue, by the way, and not Tom, who was obviously already going to run an all-engine compo.

Posted on 2004-08-26 04:14:50

Toen

Quote:Originally posted by Thrasher

I don't think it's necessary to restrict the xmas compo to v3, is it? Couldn't you just run an all-engine compo instead? It wouldn't make much difference, and there would be more fun games to play in general. (That's always the point!)

v3 alone has its fair share of decent titles now that people are experienced enough to compete with ika and sphere. I just think it's a waste if you limit it to v3, since there are other willing participants. Just because verge-rpg hosts it doesn't mean it should only allow verge rpgs.

The last multi-engine compo had two entries.

Posted on 2004-08-26 05:03:47

Omni

Might I add, however, that both of those entries were very well done.

Posted on 2004-08-26 06:03:48

mcgrue

Quote:Originally posted by Omni

Might I add, however, that both of those entries were very well done.


Funny, from what I gathered from Tom's earlier post, I'd assumed that he was... disappointed.

At any rate, I am all for friendly multi-engine competitions... in the future. At present, however, my main focus is rebuilding the verge community and keeping interest around. I have personal goals in that regard, and while there is progress and activity (which pleases me greatly), any competitions I hold here in the forseeable future will remain native-engine only.

Mind you, and this can go on 'the record', I have nothing but the utmost respect for Sphere, Ika, and their respective creators and communities (although it's always damn fun to mock Ear, just like it's fun to mock Tatsumi ;). They are well-built and capable GCEs, and in many ways superior to v3. I even built the foundation of the code of this website to allow for many GCEs to be added into it's structure with the pie-in-the-sky idea that one day it'd act as an all-GCE site. And one day, if the universe doesn't smite me, perhaps it shall happen.

However, the particular community which I've been a part of for going on my 8th year now gets my attention before anyone else. When we're at a positive growth rate with frequent new people, when we're getting a new demo announced every week, then we'll talk about the North American Free-GCE Trade Agreement. Until that day, I'm going to lay down a few rules clearly hear and now.

1. Any aggressive penis-wagging concerning any GCE will be frowned upon. For the most part, I'm pleased with everyone, with the noticable exception of a certain small faction headed by a drunken dev (who will remain nameless;). If you must voice personal grievances, or take a potshot at someone, do it in the unmoderated forum.

2. As always, if anyone comes to me or another moderator about unsporting behavior in the moderated forums, it will be dealt with in a non-partisan fashion. I am similarly pleased that the activity on the forums has been overwhelmingly civil, to the point where the only times I've ever been asked to weild my mod-powers have involved Tom's sometimes... 'presumptuous' posts. And up to this point I have not seen the need to do more than point out the obvious in retaliation. If anyone thinks this is unfair behavior, this particular subject has been dealt with similarly on other GCE boards by other unimpressed admins.

3. At this time, while verge-rpg.com is interested in being a friendly neighbor (for instance, the finalized FAQ will point to ika and sphere as valid OOP GCE options), we will be acting in our own interests. This boils down to, for the time being, "Any official vrpg compo will be using v3 only." I am flattered that Thrasher thinks we've got a large enough library to stand on proudly, and to be sure I'm quite impressed by some of the works that have come out since the open beta was released, but in my opinion we are not yet 'there' yet.

Please note that I did not consult vecna nor Loretian about these terms, and if they believe they are unreasonable they may be amended. However, I grow tired of these sorts of conversations, and was so compelled to make a little line in our little sandbox here.

We will be running v3-only contests to promote community growth. We will never forbid, or otherwise actively discourage, anyone from competing in more inclusive contests with the v3 engine. I think it's swell that people would use our engine in other contests.

If anyone thinks any of this is unreasonable, please contact me and we can have a civil discussion.

Posted on 2004-08-26 08:08:05

grenideer

It sounds reasonable ;).

Can I make a little castle in the sandbox?

Posted on 2004-08-26 21:54:31

Toen

Quote:Originally posted by grenideer

It sounds reasonable ;).

Can I make a little castle in the sandbox?

NO YOU MAY NOT.

Posted on 2004-08-26 23:03:46

Alex

What with its liberal use in this thread, I feel moved to complain about the following:

"Compo"

Come on, what's wrong with the word "competition"? It doesn't take that much longer to type, does it? :\
Plus, it's a real word, with a meaning and everything. ;)

I'm sorry, I've just got an aversion to jaunty-sounding contractions...

Posted on 2004-08-27 00:05:49

Interference22

It's fewer letters and it sounds alright to me, unless you have a deep-set fear of "Last of the Summer Wine."

Posted on 2004-08-27 00:08:06

grenideer

Competition? What are *you* talking about?

com·po
n. pl. com·pos

Any of various combined substances, such as mortar or plaster, formed by mixing ingredients.


THAT'S what we're doing. And if you ask me, mixing ingredients should not be done competitively. It's dangerous.

But seriously, also in the dictionary is this:

compo n. [demoscene] Finnish-originated slang for `competition'. Demo compos are held at a demoparty. The usual protocol is that several groups make demos for a compo, they are shown on a big screen, and then the party participants vote for the best one. Prizes (from sponsors and party entrance fees) are given. Standard compo formats include intro compos (4k or 64k demos), music compos, graphics compos, quick demo compos (build a demo within 4 hours for example), etc.

So I ask you this: Are you calling the Finns jaunty?

Posted on 2004-08-27 00:37:24 (last edited on 2004-08-27 00:39:00)

mcgrue

Kampoe? No. Ehch Oh Vee.

Posted on 2004-08-27 00:42:21


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