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Mythril

I really should get a GameCube or PS2 some time. -.-;
Hmm, but I still haven't played the copy of Suikoden1&2 and Chrono Cross lying on my hard drive yet.
I'm just busy being a few years behind. *sigh*

Posted on 2004-05-15 12:03:14

Troupe

Mythril! I NEED those games! My friend is giving me a copy of Suikoden 1 on monday, but I want CC so bad! Did you use bittorrent? I could never really figure out how to work that damn thing. But yeah, Fable rocks.

Posted on 2004-05-16 04:58:12

mcgrue

I just saw the new Zelda video. If I wasn't a man of low hygene, I'd have to go change my pants.

...okay, that's a lie.

See, I'm not wearing pants.

Posted on 2004-05-17 18:39:45

cmdratz

rpgking:
Nintendo shall have to change more than eight notes in a couple of minute's worth of Basil Poledouris' "Conan the Barbarian" Film Track to be considered original enough to avoid a lawsuit; unless it has bought rights . . . . Poledouris composed that film score due to some connections he had made at college. He was approximately twenty-one-though-twenty-three-years-old, then.
The cloud shadows appear asthetically pleasing. I like the forest foliage shading. Its overall texture detail is fair.
Respectfully:
C. M. Dratz

Posted on 2004-05-17 20:21:00

rpgking

Quote:Originally posted by cmdratz

rpgking:
Nintendo shall have to change more than eight notes in a couple of minute's worth of Basil Poledouris' "Conan the Barbarian" Film Track to be considered original enough to avoid a lawsuit; unless it has bought rights . . . . Poledouris composed that film score due to some connections he had made at college. He was approximately twenty-one-though-twenty-three-years-old, then.
The cloud shadows appear asthetically pleasing. I like the forest foliage shading. Its overall texture detail is fair.
Respectfully:
C. M. Dratz


It's already widely known that this is Basil's music from Conan the Barbarian. In fact, the article I first read about this mentioned it. I doubt Nintendo was stupid enough to use it without his permission. But...who knows?

Posted on 2004-05-17 23:00:14

mcgrue

C. M. Dratz:

I doubt the song will be going into the final version. It was a promotional video will filler music. This happens all the time; It's like how one of the trailers for Lord of the Ring had some Requiem for a Dream music, even though Frodo really isn't shooting up.

Whither or not Big N paid for the rights to use the music remains to be seen, tho. Could go either way.

Posted on 2004-05-18 02:42:44

Gayo

I know nothing about Molyneux, so I won't talk about him. However, anyone who disses Miyamoto is unschooled. It's possible that there is a broad, incisive criticism of Miyamoto to be made, but it has not been made yet, especially not in this thread.

Posted on 2004-05-18 03:59:43

mcgrue

You're to old, old man...

And you... you're... ...too fucking Japanese.

</fight_club>

Actually, Shiggy's one weakness is the fact that he's a horrible dork. Incorrigable. Terminally dorky. Watch his appearance during Big N's e3 press conference and tell me this man can pick up ladies in a bar.

But his game design skills are world class, and nobody can argue with that.

Posted on 2004-05-18 04:12:19

Alex

Yeah. Pity he can't put those design skills to work on something new rather than another new Mario or Zelda or whatever other sequels he's working on right now. Anyway, you don't need to be schooled to see that the man's a whore, shamelessly churning out the same stuff over and again. That's what he does.

Posted on 2004-05-18 08:15:25 (last edited on 2004-05-18 08:16:44)

mcgrue

Being new does not neccesarily imply being fun.

Innovation is good when it's good. However, while a rhythm game involving trout-shaped controllers where you must beat your opponent with the fish to a pattern created by the sound of a line-feed printer in the room may certainly be original, one would doubt it's enjoyment value.

Unless you had that as your fetish. I'm sure someone does.


Posted on 2004-05-18 08:46:10

Toen

Quote:Originally posted by Alex

Yeah. Pity he can't put those design skills to work on something new rather than another new Mario or Zelda or whatever other sequels he's working on right now. Anyway, you don't need to be schooled to see that the man's a whore, shamelessly churning out the same stuff over and again. That's what he does.

You realize that a new game set in the same universe is not the same as rehashing, I hope. Almost every Zelda game has taken a humongous creative stride in one direction or another, ditto Mario games. Look at the NES Zelda next to Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker, or Super Mario Bros next to Mario Sunshine and tell me the man is a hack. You can't, without sounding rediculous! :D

I don't mean to discredit Molyneux or anything, because he is good as well, but YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, DONNIE

Posted on 2004-05-18 09:22:40

Interference22

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

Being new does not neccesarily imply being fun.

Innovation is good when it's good. However, while a rhythm game involving trout-shaped controllers where you must beat your opponent with the fish to a pattern created by the sound of a line-feed printer in the room may certainly be original, one would doubt it's enjoyment value.

Unless you had that as your fetish. I'm sure someone does.




That's it. I'm starting my v-rpg.com quotes collection now. And that's going in it.

Posted on 2004-05-18 09:34:39

rpgking

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

Watch his appearance during Big N's e3 press conference and tell me this man can pick up ladies in a bar.


Hey, how do you know that in Japan you can't pick up chicks in a bar by walking in with a master sword and shield? He could be all like "Hey baby, if you think this sword's big, wait til' you see my real master sword." [/badjoke]

Posted on 2004-05-18 15:10:42 (last edited on 2004-05-18 15:18:21)

Alex

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

a rhythm game involving trout-shaped controllers where you must beat your opponent with the fish to a pattern created by the sound of a line-feed printer in the room may certainly be original, one would doubt it's enjoyment value.


If you're saying that would be less fun than Yoshi's Island, you're out of your mind.

Posted on 2004-05-18 18:14:06

Troupe

Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

Being new does not neccesarily imply being fun.

Innovation is good when it's good. However, while a rhythm game involving trout-shaped controllers where you must beat your opponent with the fish to a pattern created by the sound of a line-feed printer in the room may certainly be original, one would doubt it's enjoyment value.

Unless you had that as your fetish. I'm sure someone does.




Well... Fuck... Thanks for ruining the suprise of my big VERGE game idea... I'm the person with that fetish, and it has been my life long dream to create such magnificence in your "VERGE" engine.

In other news, Molyneux > Miyamoto.

Posted on 2004-05-18 18:28:40

Alex

Quote:Originally posted by Toen

You realize that a new game set in the same universe is not the same as rehashing, I hope. Almost every Zelda game has taken a humongous creative stride in one direction or another, ditto Mario games. Look at the NES Zelda next to Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker, or Super Mario Bros next to Mario Sunshine and tell me the man is a hack. You can't, without sounding rediculous! :D

I don't mean to discredit Molyneux or anything, because he is good as well, but YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT, DONNIE

Damn, I've been controversial. :D

Super Mario Bros and Mario Sunshine are very different, and I have a problem with neither. It's the numerous steps taken to get from the former to the latter that I consider to be the whoring. They're games for money's sake. Which is a ridiculous statement of course, as all commercial games are games for money's sake, but I think as a person of intelligence you can tell what I mean. Molyneux makes original games, and has as far as I am aware made only one sequel (Populous 2, at the order of (ahahahaha) Electronic Arts).


Quote:Originally posted by mcgrue

Being new does not neccesarily imply being fun.

No it doesn't. Since it's inception Bullfrog (Molyneux's software house) was renowned for producing games of the highest quality. And there were no sequels (excepting the aforementioned Populous 2). My point being that if you have as much skill as Molyneux and Miyamoto clearly do, you can make original and fun games. There is no need to rehash. This is why Molyneux's games are still rightly hyped to such an extent despite not being Populous 6 or Black and White 3 or whatever. Miyamoto should use some of his obvious imagination to do some more imaginative stuff.

Posted on 2004-05-18 18:33:45 (last edited on 2004-05-18 18:58:59)

Omni

But....I don't want a new universe. I want Adult Link. And I want him now.

Posted on 2004-05-18 18:42:43

rpgking

Quote:Originally posted by Omni

But....I don't want a new universe. I want Adult Link. And I want him now.


I agree. I don't care about original games. The same universe is fine with me(Adult Link rules!), and Miyamoto always has a way of making each new game actually feel like a fresh new game instead of something that's rehashed. As far as games in general go, all I care about is whether or not the experience is a fun one.

Posted on 2004-05-18 19:09:03 (last edited on 2004-05-18 19:11:10)

mcgrue

Quote:Originally posted by Alex


If you're saying that would be less fun than Yoshi's Island, you're out of your mind.


Now you're just blatantly trying to be incendiary.

Only an artless, soulless man wouldn't like Yoshi's Island.

And, by the way, for someone complaining about a lack of innovation in Shiggy's works, that was a poor game to bring up for your case.

Posted on 2004-05-18 19:58:51

rpgking

Quote:Originally posted by Troupe

Peter Molyneux will crush Miyamoto like the tiny Japnese bug that he is. HEIL FABLE.


Quote:Originally posted by Alex

If Peter Molyneux is going to crush Miyamoto like a bug, I hope it will be televised so that we may all witness it and laugh heartily. This justice must be done.


These two posts early on were already being blatantly incendiary. It's already obvious that there's no room for intelligent debate when this kind of flaming is posted. I know I replied with a similar flame, but I was just going with the flow :P Speaking of which...this topic was never meant to be a debate topic. -_-

Posted on 2004-05-18 21:03:35


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